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Discussion id : 129-666
most recent 13 NOV 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 NOV 21 by Dewberry
Can anyone recommend a low-maintenance, reblooming climber that can reach the top of a two story house? I'm gardening in Central Texas.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 NOV 21 by Nastarana
Look for Noisettes and climbing teas. Antique Rose Emporium in Texas should be able to advise you.

Are you thinking of any particular color?
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Discussion id : 128-011
most recent 7 JUN 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 JUN 21 by christineb
I am thinking of putting a large pergola across my patio to grow a climbing rose on. But I only have space (between my other roses) to plant one rose on one side, so to go up the post and across the rafters, it will need a height of 4.5-6m (15-20ft).

Most roses that tall are once bloomers, but I would prefer a repeater. Ideally with nodding flowers or drooping clusters, as they will be viewed from below. I lean towards pinks and apricots.

Also I want to keep this rose trained tightly to the rafters, so that we will still get sun coming through between them (like the rose pergola at Kew Gardens). So not too bushy and easy to control with pruning.

The following are some possibilities my research has turned up. Would you recommend one of these over the others? Or something else entirely?

Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes - Fits the bill, but is it lax enough for this kind of training?
Cecile Brunner Climbing - Also looks good, but I am worried it will get too big and bushy.
Francois Juranville - Once bloomer, but I have read it is over a long period. How many weeks?
New Dawn - On the smaller side, but I understand very vigorous so could reach the size required?

Thanks very much for your help.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 4 JUN 21 by Margaret Furness
I can't advise for your climate, but the first question I would ask myself: does it matter how prickly it is?
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 5 JUN 21 by christineb
Thanks. Most roses grow well here in SE England, and I can cope with thorns.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 5 JUN 21 by Nastarana
David Austen introduced some repeat blooming ramblers. I think maybe 'Lady of Shallot' is one of the more recent.

If you are considering Noisettes,, you might also like to look at climbing teas, such as 'Lady Waterlow' and 'Noella Nabonnand'. I don't know how tall those those grow, but teas generally grow and grow without stopping where conditions are favorable. I think some of the new gigantea hybrids from India repeat bloom, and those get huge. There is also 'Reve d'Or', another and better Noisette.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 5 JUN 21 by christineb
Thank you. I'll add Lady Waterlow to my list (height is listed as 3.6m by Trevor White and Peter Beales, but 5.5m by David Austin, so he obviously agreed with you that it would keep growing). Noella Nabonnand doesn't seem to be available in the UK, and Reve d'Or is a bit too yellow for me. My roses are all modern, so I have no experience with these older varieties. When I read lax, vigorous growth it sounds ideal for the way I want to train it though. In looking these up, I saw that Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes is a Tea-Noisette, so that is also looking like an increasingly good option (height described as 6m by all).

David Austin's tallest rambler is Malvern Hills with a max of 4.5m, so seems a less good option.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 7 JUN 21 by billy teabag
The generously repeat-blooming climbers Mme Alfred Carriere and Climbing Lady Hillingdon may be worth considering.
We saw many healthy and happy-looking plants when visiting the south of England and concluded they must be quite cold-hardy.
Reve d'Or is a beautiful and healthy rose with extremely attractive foliage and blooms. I am not certain how large you could expect it to grow in your area, but others may be able to advise.
The larger Noisettes are unsurpassed for this sort of work in warmer climates and some may be happy with you. They have everything going for them - the complete package: beautiful, fragrant blooms, healthy foliage that is evergreen in warmer areas, excellent disease resistance and pliable canes. They are very biddable and versatile in their habit and, once established, generously recurrent. Lamarque is outstanding and outstandingly lovely in warm-enough gardens. The healthy foliage makes a perfect foil for the blooms.
A rose once sold as "[Beales'] Monsieur Tillier", which has since been identified as a Nabonnand rose first introduced as 'Philippe Petain' and later renamed 'Marie Nabonnand', is a Noisette type with beautifully fragrant, deep red blooms and many thornless stems. It is a wonderful rose if your situation is warm enough (and if it is still available).
The rose gardeners at Mottisfont would be able to advise whether some of these would be in their comfort zone with you - life is always easier for rose and gardener when the roses we choose thrive in our conditions.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 7 JUN 21 by christineb
Thank you. I had ruled out Mme Alfred Carriere because David Austin describes it as stiff and bushy and recommends it more for walls than pergolas, but plenty of others call it lax and pliable. It is certainly considered very reliable in England, though height estimates vary between 3.6 and 7.5m!

I think it is too cold here for many Noisettes. Some are not sold in the UK, others like Larmarque are suggested for warm walls or sheltered positions. A pergola is probably quite a bit more exposed than a wall. The only one that all UK growers describe as very tall is Desprez à Fleurs Jaunes with all agreeing 6m height-- I wonder why it isn't more popular though? I'm not sure how much of a gamble it is to try one of the ones with more variable height descriptions.

I'd love to visit Mottisfont, but it is a bit far for me, and I can't see any way to email their gardeners. I did contact the local growers I usually buy from (Cants and Trevor White), but I didn't get much help from them beyond what is on their websites. So here I am turning to the HMF experts!
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Discussion id : 127-894
most recent 30 MAY 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 MAY 21 by Dewberry
Can anyone recommend a reblooming climbing rose to reach the roof of a two-story house in Texas? It can be any color except pink or white.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 MAY 21 by Nastarana
If you like yellow, might I suggest 'Cl. Sun Flare', AKA 'Cl Yellow Blaze', a most excellent, IMHO, climbing floribunda. It shoots up canes straight to the eaves of your house in its' first year, foliage is shiny and pretty, rather like the foliage of 'Captain Thomas', blooms in pretty clusters all summer, and never fades to pink. That last is important for me; the older flowers fade to a nice soft yellow. One warning, some plants are afflicted with RMV, so you might want to check the foliage. The flowers are semi double, and open to show the stamens, so it will attract bees and butterflies.

In Texas you have the world of Noisettes and climbing teas and Bourbons to choose among. Sigh. I am becoming green as I type.
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Discussion id : 123-134
most recent 4 SEP 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 SEP 20 by Dewberry
What is an everblooming red shrub rose that tolerates drought well? I need red, not pinkish red or light purplish red. Red. For a specific place in my garden's color scheme.
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