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Just an update to report that Peter Beales Roses has now been sold, as at 5th Feb. 2024 to Bell's Horticultural, an established garden centre business.
I understand that the brand name Peter Beales Roses will remain and for now it is business as usual.
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Link goes to a Hong Kong gaming site lol.
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Yes, that was interesting ! Website link removed for now, thank you for the heads up.
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Well, it appears their business model relies on getting “exclusives” with breeders such as Tantau, and then selling their plants at double the price of anyone else, while at the same time preventing those other vendors from selling those roses in the US. This year Palatine is blocked from selling Tantau roses, which they otherwise will do. I will NOT be supporting them and would discourage others as well. In my opinion they are a walking talking antitrust violation under both California and US law. Yes I know that Austin is famous for this, but they keep an army of lawyers employed supporting such marketing decisions.
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#1 of 5 posted
4 DEC by
 Lee H.
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Well, it takes two to tango, and I think Tantau would be due at least half the blame. It could be more effective to boycott Tantau. I hate to point fingers at the little guy for just trying to make some money in a difficult market.
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Strongly disagree. Antitrust may or may not be a law in Germany, where Tantau does business; I have no idea what German law is. But it is against the statutes here, and this nursery is ignoring them to increase its customers costs of the plants to double what it would cost if they were not blocking their competition out of the market for those plants. I will not be encouraging these tactics by buying from them.
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#3 of 5 posted
5 DEC by
Lee H.
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Point taken, but isn’t it Tantau who is deciding who to sell (or not sell) to? Regardless of the laws that may be in Germany, I’m only observing that without Tantau’s active participation in this “conspiracy”, nothing happens. They cannot be held blameless.
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IDK, but does not Kordes do something similar? I ask because I have seen small nurseries, Starlight Perennials comes to mind, all of a sudden offering Kordes roses and nothing or very little else in roses.
Does anyone here know if restrictive clauses in contracts are even enforceable? Tantau can decide to whom they want to sell, but do they also get to tell a vendor what else that company can propagate and sell. I know just that is what DA Co. did and does with its' contracts but is such an arrangement actually legally enforceable.
If the Tantau roses being offered exclusively to Grace Rose Farm are not patented in the USA, anyone can buy a mother plant from the favored vendor and propagate their own clones.
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Seems to me Kordes does almost the opposite. As far as I can tell without seeing any contracts, they do everything they can to get their roses to as many vendors as they can entice to sell them. I see them in many different dealer’s inventories. As for enforcement, it is mostly voluntary in small markets such as roses because everyone knows everyone else in this business (or almost) and your past actions will follow you. Reputations are still important here. Same for licensing arrangements to pay breeders for their work. Mostly voluntary as to enforcement.
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I could not find the orange floorshow rose at hortico
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