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Discussion id : 31-429
most recent 5 NOV 08 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 NOV 08 by PKukielski
Greetings... It was fun to learn of your work with roses. Here in New York, we face many challenges in the public rose garden. Mostly, we need to turn our attention to the most disease resistant varieties possible as new local restrictions don't allow us to spray.
Would you be interested in trialing your roses at the Peggy Rockefeller Rose Garden?
Let me know your thoughts.
The Rockefeller Curator of Roses
The New York Botanical Garden
Discussion id : 24-624
most recent 12 MAR 08 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 MAR 08 by Elizabeth Lee
I would like to add a few of my crosses to the web site, similar to what Robert Rippetoe does. How do I go about doing that from my breeder? It has allowed me to add photos but that is it.

Thanks, Liz
Reply #1 of 6 posted 8 MAR 08 by HMF Admin
Hi Elizabeth,

About how many of your seedling are you interested in including ?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 9 MAR 08 by Elizabeth Lee
Right now only one cross that has resulted in a couple of keepers that I will be using in future breeding crosses. I was thinking of only making a single entry for the cross and then listing the 3 seedlings under it.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 9 MAR 08 by HMF Admin
Please email us the names you intend to use for your cross and seedlings.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 11 MAR 08 by HMF Admin

Send the names and we'll add them and link them to your HMF registration allowing you to add to or update the details. Sound good ?
Reply #5 of 6 posted 12 MAR 08 by Elizabeth Lee
The cross that I would like to post is Morden Sunrise x Home Run. There are 3 seedlings that assuming they come through the winter are going to be used in breeding. The seedlings are numbered, 06-27-2, 06-27-4, and 06-27-13. This fall I may have another cross to post, but I need to see how that seedling holds up, both coming through the winter and disease wise.

Thanks, Liz
Reply #6 of 6 posted 12 MAR 08 by HMF Admin
Okay Liz, they're there now and you can flush out the details.
Discussion id : 23-216
most recent 26 DEC 07 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 DEC 07 by Poole, Lionel
My new website is now active. It's available on :-
Reply #1 of 1 posted 26 DEC 07 by Lyn G
Mr. Poole,

I have updated your BREEDER page on HelpMeFind to show your website. Thank you for sending the information.

Discussion id : 13-635
most recent 19 SEP 06 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 AUG 06 by christie


when is a rose hip considered ripe in terms of collecting seed?  

thanks in advance, christie



Reply #1 of 7 posted 9 AUG 06 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi, Christie, well, some hips turn colors, like apples do, from black, through pinks, oranges, yellows and reds, while others remain green. It all depends upon the genetics of the individual cultivar and the intensity of heat and light where it's grown. One way is to watch the point of abscision where the peduncle attaches to the stem. This is the joint where the spent flower falls off cleanly, leaving a straight end to the stem. You can often see it when you study the stem up from the top leaves to the joint where the peduncle (the short stem which attaches the bloom to the cane) connects. This joint can easily be broken from the stem when you dead head, without leaving a jagged break. It's where the rose forms a membrane, seperating the spent flower from the growing cane so it can easily be dropped once it's finished. The same thing happens to a hip. If the plant is going to abort the hip, the membrane forms and the peduncle begins to wither and turn yellow or beige, then falls off. If the hip remains, either until ripe, or until the plant intends to shed it due to other cultural problems, the peduncle will begin turning colors other than the usual green, before the hip falls off. You can also test the hip to see if the peduncle is about to be seperated by gently bending it as if to break it off. If it easily comes off the stem at that joint, it's likely ready.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 9 AUG 06 by Wendy C.

In addition to Kim's thorough explaination. If you have an idea of when the rose bloomed, most roses require 90-114 days to ripen. My sources seem to think over 100 is best.

Best of Luck

Reply #3 of 7 posted 9 AUG 06 by Rupert, Kim L.
That may be a good rule of thumb in many instances and is very likely dependant upon location and prevailing weather. Laurie Chaffin, former owner and operator of Pixie Treasures Miniature Roses, which was in Yorba Linda, CA, said she used to continue breeding all the way up to Christmas and found many of her breeders germinated the following spring. Honestly, when in doubt, just do it. That's how all knowledge and new discoveries are discovered. Push the envelope. You'll be quite surprised how many "absolutes", aren't, and "rules" are meant to be broken. Above all, just have fun!
Reply #4 of 7 posted 27 AUG 06 by christie


thank you for your responses.

the first hips to form are approaching the 100 day mark; no change in peduncle colour yet.

most of my roses were started from cuttings and have only achieved real size this year.  this is the 1st year i have deliberately allowed hips to form. i have at least 2 hips per rose - theoretically, i'll have >200 hips.  this should certainly keep me occupied over the long cold winter months.

will each of the recovered seeds from a single hip be genetically identical?

thanks in advance, christie




Reply #5 of 7 posted 27 AUG 06 by Wendy C.

You are most certainly welcome. Not all hips change color. Since it's still early you could leave them be for a while and see.

Each seed will have it's own genetic makeup. It is amazing the variety one hip can produce. I'm pretty sure you can find an Ezine article on how to process your hips. There is also a wealth of information on processing hips on


Reply #6 of 7 posted 19 SEP 06 by christie

hi again.


some of my peduncles (i just love saying peduncle :o)) are turning colour.

here is where i keep getting conflicting info:   cold/stratification for how long (sources vary from 1 - 4 months)?  inside the hip or separated from the hip/does it make a difference?

just as an aside, i am having a tremendous fall flush (all that deadheading paid off) so i will not be depriving the birds after all.

thanks in advance,


Reply #7 of 7 posted 19 SEP 06 by Wendy C.

Please understand I am a novice at this too. I've had germination. I've gotten seedlings... of which one has survived me. smile

You want to take the seeds out of the hips. Wear gloves. There are little hair like things in the hips which can cause a nasty itchy rash. It's a lot like fiberglass. Be very careful not to touch your face while you are extracting the seeds.

Next you want to wash them thoroughly, get as much of the hip material off as humanly possible. Scrub your heart out, you can't hurt the seeds. In fact some scratchs may help germination. I've been advised to soak them in Hydrogen Peroxide for up to two days. This helps stave off fungal problems.

Place the seeds in a damp paper towel or seed soil mix in a dish with a cover. Put them in a quiet place in your refridgerator. You can see germination as early as 1 month depending on the seed parent.  Pot up the germinated seedlings in 4" bands or dixie cups with drain holes punched in the sides of the bottom of the cup. Don't pat the soil too hard. Keep them under a grow light (only 2-3" from the seedling) and moist.

The seeds that haven't germinated at four months, remove from the fridge. You can leave them in the containers or plant is up to you. After this cold period you should see a spike in germination once they are in a warm room.

Keep an eye on your seeds. If mold develops change the paper towel/soil and soak the seeds in Hydrogen Peroxide to clean them before placing them back in the fridge.

I really would encourage you to look at the Hybridizing Forum on or there is a Hybridizing Society like the ARS, which have far more experienced folks than me.

Best of luck

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