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most recent 11 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 AUG by CybeRose
Jacob Dieterich & H. W. Turner

Florists’ Review 45(1167): 25 (Apr 8, 1920)
Business sagacity and horticultural skill are well combined in Jacob Dieterich, of Los Angeles, Cal. He was born in Wurttemberg, Germany, in 1867, and gained with Mertz, of Stuttgart, and J. C. Schmidt, of Erfurt, a thorough grounding for his life-work. After two years of landscape work in Switzerland, he came to this country in 1888, not stopping till he reached Los Angeles. There he worked in the first flower store in the city, then called the Central Park Floral Co. Four years after his arrival, he started in business for himself on Wall street. In 1908 he formed a partnership with H. W. Turner, for growing at Montebello, buying out his partner’s interest nine years later. In 1919 he sold his business to Roy F. Wilcox and in the same year bought land at Wintersburg, where he is growing chiefly aspidistras, having a special permit from the government to import large quantities. This year he bought ten acres in the San Fernando valley, much of which he expects to plant to Erica melanthera.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 10 AUG by Patricia Routley
Many thanks Karl. I have added this history to their page.
ps - what does 45(1167) mean? A volume, or No.?
pps - do you prefer Karl or CybeRose?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 11 AUG by CybeRose
I thought it was worth mentioning that the name is Dieterich, rather than Dietrich. I stumbled on this while looking into R. laevigata hybrids.

Once upon a time I collected lots of notes without proper sourcing. Then, of course, I went overboard by recording every little detail, relevant or not. So, 45(1167): 25 means vol. 45, no. 1167, p. 25.

I started using CybeRose years ago when everyone was doing "handles". Now I'm just Karl.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 11 AUG by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karl.
Discussion id : 112-381
most recent 23 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 JUL by JasonSims1984
Hi Paul. :) I was wondering if you still grow roses and enjoy them, even if you're not actively commercially hybridizing.

I really love the fact that you have focused on damasks, gallicas, mosses, and other classes that have gone out of circulation. I LOVE mosses, crested and damask type. They are so beautiful.

I just want you to know that I plan to take a lot of the stuff you have worked on and carry it forward. Things like Umbra and Crested Damask. Your mosses are very nice roses.

I just wanted to write my not-so-secret-admirer praise. :)

I really respect your hybridizing work. I would love to take the things you have done like Midnight Blue x (Orangeade x fedtschenkoana) and use them to enhance the blue moss roses you have made. I will probably repeat that cross. Or if you still grow that cross or anything like it, I would love to trade plants with you. I have tons of things besides roses, too. Daylilies, Iris. Lots of stuff.

Kim Rupert sent me Oadafed and some (International Herald Tribune x Lila Banks) x fedtschenkoana and other fedtschenkoana derivatives. I look forward to doing a lot of species crosses with them. Mostly rugosas, kordesii, bracteata, moschata, roxburghii, etc. The remontant species.

I just wanted to know if you still work on crosses as a hobby, and what you have been up to. :)

I look forward to hearing from you!
Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUL by Barden, Paul
Thank you Jason :-)

I did attempt a few crosses using Crested Damask as both seed and pollen parent years ago, and the only cross I got seeds from was Crested Damask X Crested Jewel. Sadly, most were very weak, mildewy plants, and only three of them flowered: none of them had cresting worth keeping. Its possible you can accomplish something using it, but its just like the rest of the primitive Cristata hybrids: its a compromise and the odds are not in your favor, moving forward.
I still have two plants of the Midnight Blue X OA-Fedt, but out in the open garden, both are very disease prone and tend to build up a lot of dead wood every year (seems as though wood lasts only 2 years before senescing). I've never successfully rooted cuttings of it and it doesn't sucker, so.....

As for hybridizing the genus, I have not made any crosses since 2010 and I have no plans to resume.
Thanks for asking!

Discussion id : 112-219
most recent 17 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 JUL by pminor
Love your roses. Are they in commerce? Beautiful.
Discussion id : 111-815
most recent 29 JUN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 JUN by HubertG
Bishop's Lodge Mary Matthews seems to be missing from this list. Also Aimee/Amelia Anderson as well.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 28 JUN by Patricia Routley
"Mary Matthews" now back on the list of plants discovered by The Bishop's Lodge volunteers. At one time it was thought that it may be the same as "Kew Cemetery Pink", but others have since advised that it is different.

"Bishop's Lodge Amelia Anderson" was not on their list as it has been identified as 'William R, Smith' and is listed as a synonym of that rose.
I have added the discoverer (Bishop's Lodge) back in, but am not altogether happy with the listing for the rose as it is not shown which of the synonyms was discovered by Bishop's Lodge - although it is quite obvious.

I have found that it is quite useless in trying to help identify these particular old roses as, unidentified, they have some mystique and are more of a money spinner to help raise upkeep funds for the Lodge.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 JUN by HubertG
True, I grow 'Muriel Linton' and still call it that rather than Hadley.
The Bishop's Lodge roses are good examples, in my opinion, of how found roses can be named to give them a better commercial prospect.
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