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Discussion id : 115-380
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Initial post yesterday by Patricia Routley
Is Camellia (Polyantha. Byrum. 1943) the same rose as ‘Pink Bountiful (floribunda, Byrum 1943)
They have the same year and the same parentage. The patent 601 was issued for Camellia, and yet HelpMeFind has 601 for Pink Bountiful.

Later edit. Plant Patent 601 was for a polyantha, so I think I will change the patent from Pink Bountiful to Camellia, and leave the roses separate.

Later, not much later edit. Aha - seek and ye will find. The cover photo of the 1946 Annual reveals all. I will add the 1946 reference and merge the two roses.
Discussion id : 115-374
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Initial post yesterday by SoCal Coastal Rosarian
It has been the dream of hybridizers to incorporate the magical red eye of Hulthemia persica, native to Iran, Afghanistan, and Turkestan, into the modern rose. I believe that with the introduction of Eyeconic Mango Lemonade, classified as a modern shrub, by James Sproul, the goal has been largely achieved. EML has virtually all of that attributes of the modern rose with the addition to the magical red eye. The blooms of EML, classified as a modern shrub, are disposed singly and in clusters. The individual blooms are quite large, up to 3 inches in diameter. Bud form is superb. Color, a non fading symphony of rainbow hues surrounding the vermillion eye, is outstanding. The blooms possess remarkable substance, a feature lacking in many of the Hulthemia persica hybrids. Stamen quality is quite good, a feature of particular importance to exhibitors. The blooms last a long time. To top it all there is a mild fruity fragrance. The plant is attractive, disciplined, and grows well. Resistance to powdery mildew and rust appears to be good if not excellent. I did notice a touch of anthracnose as we are experiencing a wet winter in California. Due to it's absence here I cannot comment on black spot. There is reason to believe that EML is a breakthrough rose, something we rarely experience and is a source of great excitement and joy. In communicating with Dr. Sproul he has indicated that there are some "nice" red eyed roses in his pipeline. I can realistically surmise that the future may bring us red eyed hybrid teas, grandifloras, climbers, and perhaps miniatures and minifloras as good as EML!
Reply #1 of 3 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
I consider the line minifloras, because they encompass all of the traits. They're simply wide and short instead of narrow, but they have all of the genetic and phenotypic traits of a miniflora. Simply not an exhibition style one or marketed as one. Not a huge difference between the plant style of my 'Power Point' and the original 'Eyeconic' (Lemonade) we still have at the farm house.
Reply #2 of 3 posted yesterday by SoCal Coastal Rosarian
Your point is well taken. As you know there are 7 roses in the Eyeconic series. Other than Eyeconic Mango Lemonade I am familiar only with Eyeconic Lemonade. The plant as I recall was rather small and the blooms averaged about 2 inches in diameter. In contrast I expect my plant of Eyeconic Mango Lemonade to reach 3.5 to 4 feet in height. The blooms of EML measure up to 3 inches in diameter, too large for a miniflora. It thus appears that EML could easily be classified as a typical floribunda.
Reply #3 of 3 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
huh, interesting!
Discussion id : 115-371
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Initial post 2 days ago by BrianH
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Discussion id : 105-756
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Initial post 29 SEP 17 by CybeRose
Patent 367
Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 SEP 17 by Patricia Routley
Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
PP 367 was for ‘Thornless Beauty’, an earlier sport of ‘Better Times’
‘Jewel’ was said to be “Color between Tyrian rose and Pomegranate purple.”
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