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Initial post 10 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
June 1969. Would anyone like to try and guess what the pink rose might be? No need to guess who the adorable baby grew up to be.......
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
Wrong colour for Buff Beauty...
(Jay-Jay, that's another English-language joke. "In the buff" means naked.)
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Jay-Jay
Why addressing me Margaret?
I'll remember your joke, Margaret, when taking a shower.... of rose-petals.
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
Addressing you because I've confused you before with a weak joke.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 9 days ago by Jay-Jay
And You supposed, that I would read this! Well guessed English teacher!
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 9 days ago by Margaret Furness
Alas, I have only a handful of Dutch words, and would never understand a joke with them.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 8 days ago by Jay-Jay
As for words, You're going Dutch!
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Jay-Jay
Dorothy Perkins was IN at that moment (and before) in Great Britain. See: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.202999
... And enjoy the wonderful film of Ethel & Ernest!!!
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
I wondered about New Dawn for the pink rose, but can't see the detail well enough.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
I was thinking that too Margaret but it isn't pale enough for 'New Dawn'. It could not have been older than 3 years old so is vigorous. What you can't see is that to the left, behind my mother, was a splendid hedge of 'Queen Elizabeth'.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Marlorena
I can't make out whether you're laughing or crying Andrew... You mum looks a nice lady, I remember those mini dresses.. very 60's... that's a nice one...

As for the rose... it has a rambler look about it, clusters of blooms hanging down.. of course back then a popular rose bought by so many was 'Albertine'.. unfortunately, what we got most often was 'Francois Juranville'...

The bloom colours reflect the pink on your Mum's dress...
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 10 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
'Albertine' is a very strong contender.

I'm definitely laughing, my mother was 25, half the age I am now.
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Discussion id : 114-700
most recent 31 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 DEC by kai-eric
having purchased 'mme jules gravereaux' from guillot roses/france, i received an item, that clearly doesn't match 'mme jules gravereaux' at guillots website. while considering a mix-up, i searched in their stock for the rose they gave to me; only few serious possibilities opened up, including 'bouquet d'or' and what guillot is selling under the name of 'mme bérard', a very yellow form however.
does anyone recognise it?
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Discussion id : 114-412
most recent 12 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 DEC by HubertG
This is another rose I saw in the Barbara May Garden at Rookwood cemetery in Sydney. Again I assume it is a foundling that has been renamed. It looks to be a Tea, not a large flower but the bud is striking for its orange colour splashed with a bit of pink. The open flower seemed to have more pink. It seemed to be semi-double and wasn't a very large bush.
Unfortunately the second photo here isn't a great shot and probably also over-emphasises the pink.
I have messaged the lady who should know its study name, but in the meantime are there any guesses about a possible identification from others? And it isn't 'Comtesse du Cayla' as I'm familiar with that rose.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 DEC by Margaret Furness
Mrs Arthur Robert Waddell was called a tea for a while in the early days of HRIA. I can't see the stem very clearly.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 DEC by HubertG
Quite possibly. Unfortunately It wasn't flowering much and I don't have more good photos. From memory the blooms nodded. I definitely will be going back sometime to take more photos of this and that red Tea.
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Discussion id : 114-339
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Initial post 7 DEC by HubertG
I'm hoping one of the tea ladies can help with this rose. It is planted in the Barbara May Rose Garden at Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney, Australia, so I assume it's a foundling that has been renamed, but I'd like to know what name it has been given so I can look at more photos of it. It appears to be an intermediate between a Tea and a China, bright dark red, and velvety (my photographs don't pick this quality up that well). I've been looking at my photos and the early photos and illustrations of 'Princesse de Sagan' and seeing similarities, I am wondering if they could be the same.
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 7 DEC by Jay-Jay
Maybe better photographing it in the morning- or evening light or on a cloudy day. Better red colors and less UV.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 7 DEC by HubertG
I agree. It fact I hadn't planned a visit here at all and was just nearby and decided to drop in and it was about noon. I was using my phone to photograph the rose, and dark or bright reds are always difficult to capture accurately with it. None of the roses were labelled. I'm really curious about this one. This photo captures the velvet a bit better but is out of focus.
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 7 DEC by Jay-Jay
It looks (as if) without prickles.
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 7 DEC by HubertG
It did have thorns, but wasn't overly thorny. You can see a couple on the branch at the top right here.
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 7 DEC by Margaret Furness
Billy Teabag is off air for while.
The garden is looked after by the Sydney branch of Heritage Roses in Australia. I'll send a contact email address via pm.
I don't know if they planted "Camnethan Cherry-red" there. The plant given the study name was collected in Victoria.
To quote (from memory) the Indian Rose Journal: Plants in public gardens should be labelled, as the public like to know what they're stealing.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 7 DEC by Jay-Jay
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 7 DEC by HubertG
I have grown "Camnethan Cherry Red" before and my impression was they weren't the same rose.
And I can't believe I forgot to smell it, although simply standing near it I didn't detect a perfume.
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 9 DEC by Patricia Routley
If you were able to find out, I would love to know its “study name” HubertG
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 9 DEC by HubertG
I sent a message to the lady who should know. I'll post its study name as soon as I find out.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 11 DEC by Patricia Routley
Take a look at the file "J. Datson" (syn :Frank Veal"). Sorry I am not able to search for more info for a couple of days but will get back to it and add whatever I find.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 11 DEC by Margaret Furness
"J Datson" at Renmark is low-growing, pretty much "just another China". I think the flowers are smaller than in your photos.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 11 DEC by HubertG
Just regarding the possibility of this rose being 'Princesse de Sagan':-
There are a few more recently posted early American catalogue photos of PdS (and bear in mind that they MAY not be accurate) which are a bit at odds with the rather shaggy open flowers in the Henry Moon illustration. However looking at this rose at Rookwood, the opening flowers are rather cupped, with a rounded outline that tends to match these photos. The petals only seem to reflex when they are more open. The drawing in the Journal des Roses actually bears a fair resemblance to some of these Rookwood blooms, but the most notable point about this illustration for me is that the bud receptacles are a close match for our rose, as are the spacing and poise of the loose clusters. The bud shown in the Geroge H. Mellem 1906 drawing (which looks to me like it's done from a photo) shows a very similar bud shape. The notable point for me about the Moon painting is that the terminal leaflet is rather long and attenuated (compare to the KAV leaves alongside) and this does match the Rookwood rose (see my 4th photo for a fair example).
Here's another photo of an opening bloom still with its rounded outline. There are about 5 rows of petals and you can just see the stamens. It's interesting that one of the American catalogues call PdS "The crimson Brabant" and I wonder if it is because of this cup shape and it's freedom of bloom.
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 11 DEC by HubertG
Thanks Patricia, I had a quick look at "J. Datson" which seems to be very similar to 'Cramoisi Superieur'.
The rose I photographed had flowers too large to be a China like that, with blooms maybe 2 1/2" to 3" across (just guessing from memory). Small to medium for a tea but too large for the classic red china class. There were in fact a couple of typical red Chinas in that Rookwood garden, one was small and barely more than single with a white eye from memory.
Edit: I just saw your post, Margaret, yes I agree with you. Here's another photo of the mystery rose.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 11 DEC by Margaret Furness
The nearly-single China with a white eye has the study name "Jane Vaughn". I no longer have it.
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