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Discussion id : 87-774
most recent 11 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 SEP 15 by BartBalk
I volunteer in two gardens in Fremont, CA: California Nursery Historical Park and Shinn Park and Arboretum. Both gardens have rose gardens. Although they are not historic rose gardens, they do have old roses. Unfortunately many roses have lost their tags and we have to rely on peoples' memories.

I want to find out if the Niles Cochet exists in either of these two gardens. I'm new to rose ID. But I've had some experience with plant taxonomy, so I think I could figure it out eventually. What are the characteristics of a Niles Cochet? What books should I reference? The Niles Cochet originated on the property of the California Nursery. The original rose growing area is now a quarry lake. But the neighborhoods of Niles might reveal a bush or two. I'd like to make it a community project to find our Niles Cochet rose. The California Nursery Company did have a role in supplying Oakland's Morcom rose garden and they do have a Niles Cochet rose there with a label. But I'd like to find it nearby in Niles. Thanks for any help!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 11 SEP 15 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Oh! I forgot to mention that I grew 'Niles Cochet' for a number of years. I got it from Tom Liggett who is associated with the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden. You might ask the Curator Jill Perry about it. She might know where you can acquire a specimen. Robert
Reply #2 of 4 posted 11 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
And read the HelpMefind page on 'Niles Cochet' - and the references, members comments, and look at the photos.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 11 SEP 15 by BartBalk
Thanks for the suggestions. I looked through all the helpful topics and pictures. I have some photos of the suspected Niles Cochet roses so I've posted them in my original post. I suppose I really should have posted them in a different category. But I'm here, so what do you think? Does it look like a Niles Cochet? This bush is about 6 feet tall and 5 feet wide.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 11 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
Your photos look correct. However I don't grow the rose and have never seen it. I am sure Jill Perry or other California rosarians will be able to guide you further.
Discussion id : 85-395
most recent 28 MAY 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 MAY 15 by rd8005
I have a question for anybody who can reply, what are the grounds for classifying a rose a shrub? For example: Bouile's Dream; both of the listed parents, seed and pollen, is the Hybrid Teas, Folklore, yet Boulie's Dream is listed as a shrub. Why does it not follow the parents classification? I could see if one the parents, seed or pollen, was a shrub that it would be classified as a shrub, but since both parents are hybrid teas why does it not follow and be classified as a hybrid tea?

Along the same vein of question; How and when does a rose get a America Rose Society classification. Hopi Girl is an example. An great yellow rose that is in constant bloom and has good form with possible good show qualities but not recognized by the ARS.
Discussion id : 84-628
most recent 4 MAY 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 MAY 15 by Ozoldroser
"Adolphus Marks" and "Bishops Lodge Roset's Rose" appear to be the same unknown rose.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 3 MAY 15 by Margaret Furness
I think Jack Sampson's found HT "Beechworth" may have been the same, but alas the one at Renmark has died. I'll ask rob p if he still has one.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 3 MAY 15 by Jane Z
I don't remember ever discussing these 2 in comparison to each other with Barbara May, and my memory of "AM" is very hazy, possibly only saw & photographed the original once or twice abt 15 yrs ago. I've not seen any of the BL roses, but the HMF pics didn't ring any bells re "AM".
Reply #3 of 5 posted 3 MAY 15 by Ozoldroser
John N made the connection so Billy, John and I found David's old bush of "Bishop's Lodge Roset's Rose" in the apple patch and that was when we then realised for sure that it is the same rose.
According to my notes with my photos from 22.2.08 "Adolphus Marks" is the same as "Annie Norris" and "William Whaite"
Reply #4 of 5 posted 3 MAY 15 by Jane Z
Ah yes thanks, your records etc about AM, AN & WW being the same rings bells.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 4 MAY 15 by Patricia Routley
There is a HelpMefind file for "Bishops Lodge Roset's Rose". Future information might be better in that rose's comments rather than 'Other'.
Discussion id : 81-402
most recent 3 NOV 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 NOV 14 by Simon Voorwinde
This is a set of rose stamps released in 1999 by Norfolk Island. The last rose in the series shows a rose called 'David Buffet', who was the Chief Minister (see:, three years after we left the island. Does anyone know anything about this rose? I can find no references to it anywhere.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 NOV 14 by Jane Z
Wouldn't the Norfolk Island Philatelic Burea have a record of the photograph provenance (which should be a useful lead)?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 NOV 14 by Simon Voorwinde
From my personal experience with them, I would not hold my breath that the NI Philatelic Bureau would have such records. I have still have friends living on the island who I have enlisted to help track down the story behind this rose.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 NOV 14 by Jane Z
sadly their public online records only go back to 2000.

presumably Rotary Club members, as an example of 'local establishment' would remember the dates & at least some circumstances of the rose being named. presumably yours friends can contact DB direct can't they?

my long shot guess is that perhaps Swanes or similar nursery made available that particular naming right, purely for NI, which may explain why it is so difficult to trace in mainstream references ...
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