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Initial post 5 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Rose Listing Omission

Nitty Gritty Peach

https://www.monrovia.com/nitty-gritty-peach-rose.html
Reply #1 posted 5 days ago by jedmar

This is listed

Reply #2 posted 5 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe

Sorry, I checked the other day and didn't see it.


Thanks

most recent 5 days ago  
Website Omissions (plant, nursery, etc.)
Initial post 5 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Rose Listing Omission

Ruffled Romance

'JACdebbie'

https://www.jacksonandperkins.com/ruffled-romance-floribunda-rose/p/v2688/
Reply #1 posted 5 days ago by jedmar

Added, thank you!

most recent 6 days ago  
Initial post 7 days ago by Michael Garhart

So ALTgolddragon (2013) is of unknown name, and ALTdragon (2025)is Golden Dragon.


The problem is, the patent of ALTdragon uses the same photo as Golden Dragon on the American Rose Trials for Sustainability site, and they call it Golden Dragon. I'd link it but I don't want to test the new system and make this post disappear.


Are they the same rose?


ALTdragon very much has Julia Child plant traits. ALTgolddragon lists Westerland as a pollen parent, and the seed parent is a pink seedling of their making. So maybe they are two different roses? Its very hard to tell whats going on with this and why their company chose to do this confusing naming scheme 12 years apart.




Reply #1 posted 6 days ago by Kathy Strong

I think they are different. ALTdragon is the new good one. I asked Ping last weekend who were its parents, and he only said "it's complicated. "

Reply #2 posted 6 days ago by Michael Garhart

Maybe Julia Child x an inhouse seedling of complex breeding. Glad you like it. Yellow floris can be really off or on for people. No in-between. So maybe this one is hopeful for other climates.

Reply #3 posted 6 days ago by jedmar

The patent application for ALTgolddragon is from 2024, ALTdragon was commercialized by 2025. They are probably the same.

most recent 6 days ago  
Initial post 6 days ago by Owen M Cassels

This rose "Charles Mallerin" was named after the rose hybridizer Charles Mallerin (1876-1960). Charles was well known for breeding Hybrid Teas in yellow and yellow blend colors as well as bringing forth some of the first truly dark red Hybrid Teas such as "Sénégal" and "Congo."