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Initial post today by Plazbo
Does anyone know if they are taking orders this year? Given the health related issues, would rather avoid bothering them unnecessarily (as I'm sure they get a lot of that already).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Margaret Furness
Last I heard, they're not doing any budding for next winter. They will sell what they already have, except for their stock plants. Most rose growers destroy unsold stock at the end of a season; Thomases leave them in the ground till they sell. So it's worth asking about what you want.
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
oh, its possibly Focus (1997) x Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale. That took for too long to consider lol.
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Initial post today by goncmg
Looks like the breeder was starting to get noticed when he died. This one and Capistrano both made AARS mass market. There are only 2 others. Patent for one of them indicates the patent was issued to decedent's wife in 1950. Does anyone out there have any more bio information on breeder Morris??
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Initial post 6 MAR 16 by Darrell
Seems that "Old Gay Hill Red China" was first discovered by Thomas Affleck in Texas. See Judy Barrett, "Yes, You Can Grow Roses", College Station, Texas: Texas A&M University Press, 2013, p. 68
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Reply #1 of 3 posted yesterday by Philip_ATX
Gay Hill is a town in central Texas, Washington County. The township was divided into the "old" and "new" sections in the late 1800's when a railroad split the town. Presumably, this rose was found in Old Gay Hill.

Martha Gonzalez (Fabvier) the rose from which OGH sported has been an old standby in much of TX for some time. Old Gay Hill shares many of Fabvier's features, including the propensity for attractive deep burgundy-bronze tones in the foliage when the weather gets cooler.

I personally prefer OGH to its parent, Fabvier. OGH's flower seems fuller, though not as nice nor formally cupped as that of e.g. Cramoisi Superieur. OGH does make a fairly dense shrub with minimal pruning, and thus the twigginess of it's china heritage doesn't offend, IMO. I believe it gets somewhat larger than Fabvier as well.

For more on china rose lineages, see:
http://oaktrust.library.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/1969.1/ETD-TAMU-2009-12-7450/SOULES-THESIS.pdf?sequence=2
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Reply #2 of 3 posted today by Darrell
Thank you for more information on the rose, Philip. We rose historians always appreciate it.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted today by Philip_ATX
You are welcome! I hadn't realized, and apologize for duplicating the document linked in an earlier post from AquaEyes.
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