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Does anyone know why this is called "Montgomery's Mistake?" I have a lot of reference books but none that discusses that and as far as I am aware to this point, it was quite successful 100 years and, maybe ironically, still hanging around to some extent. Birthed even in 1940 this probably would have been culled...........but a LOT went on with roses between 1913 and 1940..............would love some more info!
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I think it is still hanging around my garden, I am glad to say. There is a little bit on the sour grapes [?] in the 1992 reference (and which originally came from the 1917 American Rose Annual)
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The roses bred by Ingegnoli Brothers were mainly the early work of Febo Giuseppe Cazzaniga, who was working with his father, the first nurseryman of that firm. The “breeding activity” of Ingegnoli Brothers virtually ceased when Cazzaniga FG started his own nursery.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 16 NOV by  jedmar
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Are there any references linking Cazzaniga with the breeding of Ingegnoli roses?
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The Roseto Botanico Carla Fineschi has one of the roses attributed to Ingegnoli Brothers: Montenevoso. The label clearly states that it was bred by Cazzaniga FG. Apparently Prof. Fineschi, being old and personally knowing the people who made the history of rose hybridization in Italy, knew the name of the true breeder of that rose and, with that label, passed on his knowledge. Unfortunately Montenevoso is the only “Ingegnoli Brothers’” rose in Roseto Fineschi. However there are still people who knew the old breeders and remember the old stories.
I am aware that a personal communication has not the testimonial strength of a proof, still I thought it was worth being reported!
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The Ingegnoli roses were definitely not bred by FG Cazzaniga. They were probably bred by his father Ludovico (not to be confused with the breeder listed by that name who is his Febo Giuseppe's grandson). He joined the nursery during WW1 and this coincides with the beginning of its rose breeding programme. When Ingegnoli's first varieties appeared - starting with 'Commendatore Francesco Ingegnoli' - FG was just finishing school. If anything, the truth is the complete reverse of what my friend Ca' Berta has written: it may be that the first roses presented by FG were from seedlings produced by his father who at that point was still Ingegnoli's breeder.
The dates you give also need some correction.
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No problem! What matters is the truth!
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Reply #5 of 5 posted today by jedmar
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Do we have any Information when Ludovico Cazzaniga lived?
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A beautiful, delicate bloom with a beautiful, delicate, stoic lilac-grey-ash-white color. Thin leaves on a nearly thornless and strong in constitution but whispy-in-appearance plant. Similar in many traits to Lady X but more delicate and unlike X, fragrant. Classified as a GR, not sure that "fits" (blurry and ill-defined as that class IS)....this is more a delicate, fine-boned HT...........I wouldn't tell someone to grow this OVER Fragrant Plum, I would tell someone looking at this one to take a look at Melody Parfumee and see if that harsh red-purple color with MP would be acceptable.............looking at Lady X? Maybe a push. Sterling Silver is and has always been a GR actually and is still the one and only..............this one's angle would be, in my opinion, the way it would fit into a mixed border better than Plum the pillar or Neptune or X or Silver who are more bedding roses..............this is a good rose............but it may still in 2013 be ANYONE'S game when it comes to this color class...........if you are shopping lilac-silver-purple, really think about how you want to use it and what most appeals and accept that even in 2013 they are a still somewhat fussy, tempermental bunch..................
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ONE favorite vote!!!! But in the mid-70's this one hung around the J&P catalog in "heavy rotation" for many, many years! I never grew it. Looks like nobody other than UC Davis even does (I have reservations believing this one actually made it to FRANCE let alone is actually being grown there in 2013)? The POP/RIR reviews of this one were awful. Probably I don't want it. I don't even like pink that much. But slowly this abstreuse flop is becoming one of my "holy grails"................anyone have it? Want to trade some bud eyes from anything on my list?????
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