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yesterday by
HeelinRoses
Hello everyone, I'm looking to identify a 5-foot plant that was somewhere between 'Compassion' and Kordes' Rosenseli but with a better formed flower than both which was colourfast, darker than 'Compassion' and held upright in groups of up to 3. It may have just been a tall, slender HT plant but the standout feature was its fragrance which to sniff was medium 'rose' but 1-2 blooms in the vase easily spread it throughout the house - very powerful, of warm strawberries with maybe touches of vanilla and lime. Not at all spicy. Any ideas?
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#1 of 6 posted
yesterday by
Marlorena
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#2 of 6 posted
yesterday by
HeelinRoses
Sorry Marlorena, I don't have a photo. If I did then it would be simple for me to find it with the help of HMF members. After researching for a few years I even conversed with a rose judge from the RNRS and have looked right through the 'Rosebook' pages plus about 40 of my printed books and encyclopaedias all with no success. The plant was growing in a friend's garden in South Norfolk, England, UK back in 2014. The property was bulldozed before I realised that my sister-in-law had been given permission to take cuttings and transfer the root mass - otherwise it could have ended up in my collection. Sadly, the owners of the property have since passed away. At the time I just assumed it would be easy for me to buy another plant of it from a local nursery but not so and I don't think I've seen it in online shops in the UK, Europe or anywhere. What I can tell you is that its fragrance (when in a vase) was more sensational and fruitier than 'Fragrant Cloud' and many others - though the colour of the blooms was a shade lighter than FC but more of a duller coral pink-orange - non-fading but in a line-up of coral pink HTs you might not single it out.. However, it had an excellent spiralled and reflexed form, a high centre and never flattened out or showed its middle. It lasted 5-8 days in the vase.
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#3 of 6 posted
yesterday by
Marlorena
In that case, I doubt anyone will be able to help you. It's often a tall order even with a photo.
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#4 of 6 posted
yesterday by
HeelinRoses
I agree but it's the fragrance (when left in a vase) that puts my mystery rose in another league and not the appearance of the sparse and leggy plant or its blooms though they were good (see my descriptions above and on the 'Rosenresli' and 'Norma Major' pages) and that's why there must be someone out there who knows what it's called.
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#5 of 6 posted
today by
HubertG
Maybe 'Paris Charm'??
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#6 of 6 posted
today by
HeelinRoses
Thank you for your suggestion HubertG but I don't think it could be anything from 'Prima Ballerina' as a parent - except that 'Compassion' is quite close to my plant in its uniformity of flowers and has remarkable scent. Another of PB's offspring, the larger 'Fragrant Cloud' has heavyweight, almost cabbage-like dark coral heads. My mystery plant had narrower, boxy, high-centred blooms, turbinated with a spiralling lantern shape, never flattening out, did not show the middle or change it's orange-tinted deep pink colour before the petals began to drop. I grew Prima Ballerina this year and was seriously disappointed by the individual flower, the shortness of the plant and even the scent, having allowed myself to believe it would be something spectacular. According to the 'Rosebook', Paris Charm has clusters of 5-7 blooms as well as solitary ones - my mystery plant had 1s or up to 3 together, each flower on a vertical, 5-7 inch, light-green fuzzy peduncle. The main growth of the plant was prickly and painful to grasp without gloves. Can 'Paris Charm' easily grow to 5-foot tall here in the UK? People might think 'Yawn - there's no pleasing some' but though the mystery plant definitely looked like a familiar coral hybrid tea it was at least comparable in form and colour to something like 'Touch of Class' (but not with ToC's 6-inch blooms!) and way better than most in the fragrance department - my clear favourite there.
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Initial post
13 NOV by
Poesie
Hello,
This rose looks beautiful! : )
Poesie
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#1 of 1 posted
yesterday by
Hamish Cheetham
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Initial post
yesterday by
Unregistered Guest
Available from - Ernie
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Initial post
5 days ago by
Bug_girl
I don't think this rose is extinct. I have it and it looks a heck of a lot more like this 'Blue River' than the other Kordes 'Blue River'. I bought my rose already identified as 'Blue River' and it looks like the images uploaded to HMF. Even down to the white streaks. It didn't seem like the Blue River from the 2000's had white streaks. I will do some research and report my findings.
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#1 of 2 posted
2 days ago by
Johno
The photos shown under the 1984 version (KORsicht) show a wide variation of colour, suggesting there may be a mixture of the two Blue River cultivars. One of the Blue Rivers (probably 1984) is still sold in Aust.
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#2 of 2 posted
yesterday by
Bug_girl
Thank you for the information!
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