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Initial post yesterday by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Why do so many listings present as, "thornless (or almost)", when very clearly they are not?

Is this part of the default system at HMF?

If so it really needs to be corrected.

Thanks, Robert
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Initial post yesterday by Hamanasu
The scent of Ispahan is gorgeous, very much like Quatre Saisons, minus the sweet clove-like contribution of the stamens: sweet and lemony and extremely refined.
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Initial post 26 JUN 15 by scvirginia
I can't find a clear reference to this rose that predates the 1950's; the 1827 and 1832 references merely mention a rose from Ispahan, with no classification or description given. It may even be that these references to la rose d'Ispahan refer to R. moschata:

"Olivier, who travelled in the first six years of the French republic, mentions a rose-tree, at Ispahan, called the "Chinese Rose Tree", fifteen feet high, formed by the union of several stems, each four or five inches in diameter. Seeds from this tree were sent to Paris, and produced the common Musk Rose."

from Thomas Rivers' 'Rose Amateur's Guide', 1840, p.158

If these references do 'belong' to the rose (or roses) called 'Ispahan' today, the complete lack of mention of any rose called 'Ispahan' (or 'Pompon des Princes') from those early mentions until the mid-20th century is baffling.


Edited to add that the following reference, which seems to refer to R. moschata, as referenced above, is listed in the references section for the Centifolia 'Ispahan'. It clearly says that the rose came from Ispahan, and was a single flowered rose:

"Rapport sur les Rosiers d'Europe de l'herbier de Linné" par M. J-G. Baker... (notes de septembre 1864)...
R. centifolia L. ...Aucher-Eloy, no. 4486 [Theodor Kotschy, "Plantae Perse bor"., 1843], a distribué un rosier venant d'Ispahan, à fleurs presque simple, mais rien ne dit s'il est pris dans les cultures ou à l'état sauvage. M. Boissier, dans sa flore d'Orient, ne fait aucune mention de ce no. d'Aucher-Eloy."
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Hamanasu
Norah Lindsay in 1929 wrote of an old moss rose by the name of Ispahan, which seems to have been a favourite of hers. See my comment in Discussion id : 86-559.
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Initial post yesterday by Hamanasu
The scent on this one is amazing, unlike any other rose I have ever smelt. Today, a windless, sunny summer day with temperatures in the low 20s (celsius), it was tea overlaid with coconut (particularly noticeable) and gardenia, combined with a fresh herbal note (rather like tea-tree).
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