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'Mister Lincoln' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 112-826
most recent 31 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 31 AUG by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Is it normal for the flowers to crisp in the sun? Every time it blooms, every bud that's opened on this bush was crisp by the end of the day. The weather has been hot and humid (low to mid 90s). The foliage shows no signs of heat stress and I've been watering regularly. The plant is in a 19in pot, grown on its own roots, and is in sun all day. I bought the plant this year. This also happens with Oklahoma, and Papa Meilland - all of which are in the same conditions.

Helpmefind has this rose rated as excellent for heat tolerance. Is it due to the all day sun? Or do they need to mature a little bit more?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 31 AUG by Margaret Furness
As you've found, dark red roses tend to do this in hot climates. They'd be better off with afternoon shade.
Discussion id : 112-112
most recent 11 JUL HIDE POSTS
Initial post 11 JUL by jeffbee
one of my favorite.
deep red(without purple tone) velvety petals, the petal count is acceptable(not many)
strong fragrance, the fragrance is like nectarine+strawberry+plum+lemon, with is sour-sweet toned, making your mouth waters.
I think what makes Mr.L stand out is its shape. the proportion is so good that it needs little human intervention. it does not grow too tall, it does not grow too dense on the one side while loose on the other side, the whole plant is so well balanced, with upright branches supporting the upright buds and flowers.(unlike the nodding austins)
Discussion id : 95-974
most recent 21 NOV 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 NOV 16 by SweetheartofJ
Please, can someone help me to get the buds to open? They are so heavy I know there's more substance in there but the petals are tightly woven in.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
You might just have to wait for a dryer atmosphere. Possibly the dew is (turning to glue?) and sealing the petals.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 NOV 16 by SweetheartofJ
Perhaps I can cut them at a point and enjoy them in the house where it's dry? I shall try. Thank you for trying to explain.
Discussion id : 90-410
most recent 3 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 JAN 16 by dan8
I'm growing Mister Lincoln in Zone 9A Northern CA. This rose is a very strong grower here, both grafted and on its own roots. It does not have the most blooms but when it does the stems are always upright, long, and very thick. Its always taking a break during the worse heat of summer. I like the look of Mister Lincoln bush because it's well proportioned with large dark green foliage, the canes don't tend to criss cross all over the place. Mister Lincoln can be incredibly velvety bright red. Have grown it for 10 years here without spraying, and the only problem it gets is mild cases of powdery mildew and a very tiny bit of rust. It always, comes back strong every spring no matter what. My only complaint is that the blooms are one of the fastest blowing of all, barely lasts in a vase before it turns floppy and purple looking. For this reason I rather leave them on the bush where they seem to last forever on the bush in cool weather. If I could only have one red rose it'd be Mister Lincoln.
Reply #1 of 13 posted 23 JAN 16 by Give me caffeine
Odd you should find them so bad when cut. I always seem to get a few good days out of them, even in summer.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I was a bit surprised by dan8's comment about Mr. Lincoln being a well-proportioned bush with plenty of foliage. Mine have always been spikey sticks, with the odd leaf or two thrown in apparently just for the heck of it. Tall and vigorous, but sparse.

Since I discovered the virtues of free horse manure, from the local racecourse's stables, there has been a remarkable transformation. The two Lincolns are now doing quite a passable impression of actually being bushy!

I have concluded from this that they are not so much "heavy feeders" as "ravenous, insatiable, all-devouring monsters" and will continue to feed them accordingly.
Reply #3 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by dan8
That's great!I use bagged steer manure on Mister Lincoln all the time. Sometimes it's the only fertilizer I give him.
I consider Mister Lincoln bad when cut because it lasts only a couple of days and the color also turns a horrible purple/black color really fast. It's just always the first one to wilt when cut, while the others last at least twice as long. It's long strong stems are perfect though.
Reply #4 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I've taken to throwing the horse poo around everywhere. Great stuff. I'm pretty sure roses would be perfectly happy if planted directly into the rear end of a horse. Although it must be admitted that, while doing this would make the paddock over the road far more decorative, the horses might be somewhat disgruntled.

It's odd your Lincolns are so bad when cut. Mine last rather well, for colour and shape and scent. They open quickly, but once open will keep a good shape for days. Colour does tend to purple over time, but is still pleasant IMO.

Edit: I'm wondering if it's the water in the vase. Ours is filtered rainwater, just because we are on tanks here.
Reply #7 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
If you don't mind me asking, how old is the horse manure? Alfalfa fed? I've been afraid of it new as I read a horrible story about somebody killing their roses with alfalfa pellets. But would love to use it "fresher" if it's not a problem as that's the easiest way to get it!
Reply #8 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
The freshness varies, depending on what's available at the time. Yes, the horses are fed on alfalfa. Not sure what else (if anything) they get as I haven't asked. I should probably check on that.

It's fine straight out of the horse if you are only putting it on top of the soil. You can throw it on top as thick as you like. Keep it away from the canes by a few inches, particularly in wet weather. The only catch is that the fresh stuff will sprout alfalfa seedlings sporadically. This isn't a big deal. Just pull them out and drop them on top.

If you are digging it into the soil, I'd leave it a few weeks before planting in it.

Edit: And while I think of it, my Lincolns are back to being a pile of spiky sticks again. Wind and black spot sorted out the problem with bushiness and actual leaves. :D
Reply #9 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That's extremely good news, would love to do that! I read a story about a lady who said that it rained and made a toxic soup out of alfalfa pellets sprinkled on top that scared me. But I don't see how any different that would be from making an alfalfa "tea". Thanks so much for the tips, really appreciate it!
Reply #10 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
Well I put fresh horse poo on about 6 inches thick around a young Mister Lincoln, then mulched it with a couple of inches of alfalfa (mainly so it didn't look like a pile of horse poo). I live in the subtropics, so when it rains it really does the business. Plant has been fine. Seemed to love it.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That would make sense and thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I have access to a lot of manure and alfalfa and it's been a shame to have been so cautious with it!
Reply #12 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
I suppose I should point out that the only rose disease I see around here is blackspot. Powdery mildew and rust are conspicuous by their absence. So I have no idea if that would affect how roses respond to large amounts of manure and alfalfa.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Same here in my no-spray garden in Z8!
Reply #5 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
Oh and while I think of it, when I was looking into using racehorse manure some sources were saying it would kill earthworms, due to the horses being medicated regularly with worming compounds. It doesn't seem to be a problem. I planted a few small things today (geraniums, etc) and couldn't even dig a small hole without massacring half a dozen worms.

It appears that although racehorses are wormed regularly, earthworms haven't read the sources on the web and don't know they are supposed to be dead. As long as you don't teach your earthworms to read the internet, everything should be fine.
Reply #6 of 13 posted 1 APR 16 by dan8
lol, I'm glad it works for you! Steer manure has proven to be great for roses for me.
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