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Discussion id : 81-827
most recent 12 MAY 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 NOV 14 bytrue-blue
Pétales de roses, the online shop of Chemins de la rose in France, say that their Francis Dubreuil is the real one and not Barcelona.

Here is the link to their Francis Dubreuil page:
http://www.petales-de-roses.com/rosiers-anciens/206-francis-dubreuil.html
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 11 MAY 15 byMichaelG
true-blue,

They give the height as 100 cm and the fragrance as "legér" (light), so maybe theirs is not 'Barcelona'.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 11 MAY 15 bytrue-blue
Maybe that's the Australian "not" FD!
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 12 MAY 15 byTessie
What is the provenance of the Barcelona at The Huntington? It is said by multiple people to be extremely fragrant. One of them was a staff member (Judy something I think) who makes rose desserts from some varieties with the best fragrance for that purpose, and Huntington's Barcelona was one. But since there are such questions with the identify of Francis Dubreuil, how certain is it that The Huntington has the real Barcelona???? Did they get it from Sangerhausen? Because if so, this from the reference section presents a problem:

"Rosenlexikon
Book (1936) Page(s) 52.

Barcelona (HT) Kordes 1932; (Sensation X Templar) X L. Charlemont; deep crimson, shaded velvety blackish red, very large, double, fine form, cupped, lasting, fragrance 6/10, floriferous, blooms continuosly with interruptions, elongated buds, long stems, upright, growth 7/10, 70cm. Sangerhausen"

Fragrance is only 6/10? What people are growing in the US now as Barcelona is a very, very fragrant rose. So is it really Barcelona? Did Sangerhausen evaluate the correct rose, or not, per above? Or maybe The Huntington got their plant direct from Kordes????
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 12 MAY 15 byPatricia Routley
Tessie - have you had a look at the Notes on the main page?
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 12 MAY 15 bytrue-blue
Tessies, Kim responded your question on the sprawling Francis Dubreuil thread:
Just scroll to the end :-)
http://www.houzz.com/discussions/1705818#14914820
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 12 MAY 15 byTessie
Yes, I've looked at both the notes and the Houzz thread. No provenance stated. Kim indicates he didn't check the records at the huntington, so he doesn't know the details on this rose. Although he mentioned a number of possible sources, we don't know from which one the Huntington acquired theirs. There are so many plants in commerce incorrectly identified as well as named varieties where there are multiple different roses being sold with the same name. And so much effort seems to be going into tracking down the real Francis Dubreuil, it seems reasonable to do a little verifying on Barcelona too.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 12 MAY 15 bytrue-blue
Why don't you contact them directly, they might be able to help you :-)
http://huntington.org/WebAssets/Templates/content.aspx?id=542
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Discussion id : 84-872
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Initial post 12 MAY 15 bytrue-blue
References from David Australia from the gardenweb thread:http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1701593/re-anyone-growing-native-species-roses-continued
Posted: September 11, 2014

Hazlewood Bros, Ltd. Epping, NSW New Roses 1934 page 44
Barcelona (HT) (W. Kordes Sohne, 1932), F3 - Carmine crimson with velvety black shadings. The blooms carry 40 to 50 large petals, and the colour keeps quite well under average conditions. The growth is good, with clean foliage. the variety is improving on its first year's performance. E 2/- each

George Knight & Sons Rose Nursery, Parramatta Road, Homebush, NSW 1938
Barcelona - Blooms very larg, full 40-50 petals, perfect form. Color a deep carmine crimson, with black velvety shadings. Color keeps well. Strong old rose perfume. A valuable addition, and one that will be much appreciated.

L.P. Rosen & Son Carlingford NSW 1938
Barcelona (HT) - Bud long, pointed, full, perfect form; deep carmine crimosn, black velvety shadings; scented.

CW & AC Heers, Pacific Nurseries, Wondall Road, Manly, Queensland 1939
Barcelona, H.T. (1934)
Deep carmine crimson with black velvety shad; buds long and pointed, opening well and carried on erect stems; growth strong. A promising variety

T.G. Stewart Cr. Woodhouse Grove and Doncaster Road, Box Hill, E.12 Victoria 1941
Barcelona (H.T.) (W. Kordes & Sohne) - Very strong, upright, bushy growth with healthy foliage. Large full blooms of good form carried on erect stem. Colour deep crimson with velvety shadings. Stong old rose perfume.

C. Langbecker & Sons Bundaberg 1946
Barcelona (H.T.) - Bushy growth, pointed bud; red, full bloom

Laurel Nursery, Guildford Road and Slade St., Bayswater (WA) 1949
Barcelona - Flowers large and lasting. Colour: outside of petals crimson red, inside of petals velvety dark red. Strongly scented. Recommended
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Discussion id : 84-847
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Initial post 11 MAY 15 byMichaelG
While the description page says 'Barcelona' grows only to 28", mine was 5-6' tall in zone 7a, and Cynthia's 4-5' in zone 5--both as own-root plants. This is a tough, vigorous rose.
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Discussion id : 69-646
most recent 28 JAN 13 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 JAN 13 byNippstress
I've had Barcelona/Francis Dubreuil growing in my zone 5 Nebraska garden for 4 years now own-root, and it's been essentially cane hardy through our variable winters. It has faced the occasional -20 weather without complaining, and in my experience the zone ratings on this rose should be lowered. It's a typically reliable Kordes rose for me - hardy, tough, not at all fussy, trouble free, and not particularly bothered by blackspot here (though I tend to have a relatively high tolerance for blackspot). It tolerates part sun in my yard fine, and I find the blooms last well and stay that lovely dark color best in some afternoon shade. It still blooms pretty frequently all season, and the scent is truly wonderful! I don't have a nose that can detect many reportedly fragrant roses, but I'll stop by this plant periodically to sniff it and it's a deeply satisfying fruity rose smell for me.

Height is about 4-5 feet in my zone with no more than tip pruning in the spring. The rose bushes nicely without much care, and it's probably in my top 10 favorite roses among the 700+ I grow.

Cynthia
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 27 JAN 13 byLyn G
Cynthia ...

I copied the hardiness part of your post to the NOTES section of the rose page and suggested that HMF site users check MEMBER'S COMMENTS so that they can read the rest of your COMMENT. With a rose garden of 700 + roses, I am certain you can assess winter hardiness.

I moved the zone information down to 5b because I see it appears to be growing in many colder zones when I look at the GARDEN listings.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 28 JAN 13 byNippstress
Hi Lyn

Wow, that was fast - thanks for considering this input and for checking it out with other gardens. I do plant a lot of roses, but HMF is such a great resource for folks all over the world that it makes sense to check that I'm not an outlier in finding this rose hardy.

I also wanted to thank you for all the obvious effort you and the other HMF folks spend keeping this site updated! It's a mind-boggling amount of work, and I frankly don't know how you all manage to keep things so current, but it's such an outstanding resource that we all benefit from unbelievably! It's well worth the premium membership to support this great site and keep it available and current for rose gardeners everywhere! Now I need to be better about posting my comments and pictures, and updating my garden page to help you all out!

Cynthia
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