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'Barcelona' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 81-827
most recent 18 MAR 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 NOV 14 by true-blue
Pétales de roses, the online shop of Chemins de la rose in France, say that their Francis Dubreuil is the real one and not Barcelona.

Here is the link to their Francis Dubreuil page:
Reply #1 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by MichaelG

They give the height as 100 cm and the fragrance as "legér" (light), so maybe theirs is not 'Barcelona'.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by true-blue
Maybe that's the Australian "not" FD!
Reply #3 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie
What is the provenance of the Barcelona at The Huntington? It is said by multiple people to be extremely fragrant. One of them was a staff member (Judy something I think) who makes rose desserts from some varieties with the best fragrance for that purpose, and Huntington's Barcelona was one. But since there are such questions with the identify of Francis Dubreuil, how certain is it that The Huntington has the real Barcelona???? Did they get it from Sangerhausen? Because if so, this from the reference section presents a problem:

Book (1936) Page(s) 52.

Barcelona (HT) Kordes 1932; (Sensation X Templar) X L. Charlemont; deep crimson, shaded velvety blackish red, very large, double, fine form, cupped, lasting, fragrance 6/10, floriferous, blooms continuosly with interruptions, elongated buds, long stems, upright, growth 7/10, 70cm. Sangerhausen"

Fragrance is only 6/10? What people are growing in the US now as Barcelona is a very, very fragrant rose. So is it really Barcelona? Did Sangerhausen evaluate the correct rose, or not, per above? Or maybe The Huntington got their plant direct from Kordes????
Reply #4 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Patricia Routley
Tessie - have you had a look at the Notes on the main page?
Reply #5 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue
Tessies, Kim responded your question on the sprawling Francis Dubreuil thread:
Just scroll to the end :-)
Reply #6 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie
Yes, I've looked at both the notes and the Houzz thread. No provenance stated. Kim indicates he didn't check the records at the huntington, so he doesn't know the details on this rose. Although he mentioned a number of possible sources, we don't know from which one the Huntington acquired theirs. There are so many plants in commerce incorrectly identified as well as named varieties where there are multiple different roses being sold with the same name. And so much effort seems to be going into tracking down the real Francis Dubreuil, it seems reasonable to do a little verifying on Barcelona too.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue
Why don't you contact them directly, they might be able to help you :-)
Reply #8 of 9 posted 30 MAY 18 by Aussie rose lover
Kim is quite correct in what he says about Francis Dubrueil and Barcelona. Francis has the much STR get scent of the two.It is as he says much like Oklaholma in style except that it is much darker bel g the shade of very dark amaranth and Black mulberry with blackberry overtones. Towards to middle and lower parts of the petals it lightens and becomes crimson scarlet and purple/pink.Even after 100 years it rarely exceeds more than a metre in height being very erect rather than loose and spreading. Barcelona is quite different for instance it is a shiny red with out being velvety like Francis D. IT IS ALSO more cupped once it has expands.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 18 MAR 22 by Ambroise Paré
I would not consider what n’ Chemins de la Rose ’ states, since they write about roses they have just acquired bare root one month earlier..
Discussion id : 128-477
most recent 12 JUL 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 12 JUL 21 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - Heirloom roses is selling this as francis dubruiel
Discussion id : 119-823
most recent 22 JAN 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 JAN 20 by HubertG
I just came across and uploaded the image of 'Barcelona' from the Bobbink & Atkins 1936 catalogue. It shows more detail of the leaves than other images and also shows interesting prickles and stipules. The stipules appear to have a reddish central vein. This all might be helpful (or not) in identifying what's what with the US 'Barcelona' and Australian "David Martin's No.41". Here's a detail:
Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 JAN 20 by Patricia Routley
Thank you HubertG. I have my original own-root bush and now a Fortuneana-budded bush. I’ll take my iPad out into the garden and compare - but not today.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 JAN 20 by Patricia Routley
Apologies for the delay HubertG - I get there in the end.
My ‘Barcelona’ has reddish new foliage with red center veins on the stipule.
Older mature leaves stipule veins are green.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 JAN 20 by HubertG
Interesting. Thanks, Patricia.
Discussion id : 99-978
most recent 24 MAY 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Barcelona is very winter hardy, survives many zone 5a winters. But it stays tiny as own-root. The scent is spicy damask, can sniff that many times and still enjoy. It blooms best with tons of acidic rain.
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