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'Marchesa Boccella' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 140-216
most recent 19 OCT SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 MAR 23 by jedmar
The naming of 'Jacques Cartier' as 'Marchesa Boccella' in USA seems to be based on a very flimsy ground. The following comment from the 1993 "Roses of Yesterday and Today" seems to be the best explanation(!):
"It is best to enter it in a rose show under the name "Marquise Bocella" as you can use the date eligible for Dowager Queen (before 1867). The date given for Jacques Cartier is 1868, not eligible. The name, "Marquise Bocella", has been officially adopted by The American Rose Society."
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 23 MAR 23 by Nastarana
Jedmar, do you know, or have you good reason to suspect, that both cultivars still exist, in or out of commerce?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 23 MAR 23 by jedmar
There are reports, both in Europe and in USA, of two versions, one compact and one a large shrub. 'Marquise Boccella' was described in literature as compact and dwarf, while 'Jacques Cartier' as vigorous. However, we will only know when the various clones are tested for DNA.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 19 OCT by Bug_girl
Rogue Valley Roses sells both Jacques Cartier and Marchesa Boccella.
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Discussion id : 146-128
most recent 16 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JUN by Gregory5862
I really appreciate this article. I learned more about this flower and its story. It's so interesting.
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Discussion id : 140-190
most recent 22 MAR 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 MAR 23 by odinthor
Hopefully my eye didn't skip over it; but I don't see in References the following 1847 comment from Buist in The Rose Manual (p. 157): "Marquise Boccella, quite a favorite, being a distinct dwarf variety, with pale silvery blush flowers, very double, blooming freely the whole season."
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 MAR 23 by Patricia Routley
Now added. Thank you Brent.
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Discussion id : 140-191
most recent 22 MAR 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 MAR 23 by odinthor
I am seeing early references to the rose as ‘Marquise Virginie Boccella’, as in the 1844 L’Agriculteur Practicien (p. 183) and the 1844 Catalogo Generale dello […] Eugenio David (p. 32). In 1847, the Journal de la Société Nationale de France (p. 699) and that Society’s Séance Publique du Vingtième Anniversaire [etc.] (p. 113) also list it with the “Virginie.”

The Bulletin d’Horticulure de Picardie has it as ‘marquise Virginie de Borcella’ (p. 73) in its first Bulletin of 1844 (though as ‘Marquise de Boccella’ on p. 149).
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 MAR 23 by jedmar
Thank you for these references. Synonym and quotes added!
The full name of the Marquise enabled the addition of a note on her.
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