HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
DescriptionPhotosLineageAwardsReferencesMember RatingsMember CommentsMember JournalsCuttingsGardensBuy From 
'Albéric Barbier' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 122-328
most recent 28 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 JUN by Ambroise Paré
I don’ t think it is very useful to put in the entry of one of the most common roses in the world : almost thornless.
Ju st because one reference ( and not one by the breeder itself says it is thornless)
Untill the true identity of the rose sold as Albéric is proved this description is totally far from reality and misleading
Thanks for the great job and sorry for the way I express myself
Cheers. Giulio
REPLY
Reply #1 of 3 posted 28 JUN by Patricia Routley
You express yourself very well Indeed Giulio.
I believe it is very useful to have a botanical description of a rose, from the year it was sent out. In the 1900 reference it was quoted as being “almost without prickles” and on looking at my two plants this morning, that would be my exact choice of words. Perhaps one or two prickles on the laterals for every 12 inches of cane. I will upload a photo.

I have no idea what G. A. Stevens was growing when he described ‘Alberic Barbier’ in 1933 as “extremely thorny”, but would suggest possibly ‘Gardenia’, and a dear departed friend ‘Esmond Jones’ once suggested ‘Fräulein Octavia Hesse’.

What is puzzling to me is the description of “semi-double”. It was described as such in that original 1900 reference, and repeated often. It was not until 1910 that it was described as “semi-double or double”. After that it was often described as double. Did it take a few years to really show what it could do?
But it is the leaves that signify ‘Alberic Barbier’ at once. Take a look at my photo of Alberic Barbier leaves with a comparison of ‘Excelsa’ leaves (October 26, 2013)

Margaret, can you add the reference from ‘The Rose Annual’ 1911: page 25. (I ended up with two 1912s and no 1911)
REPLY
Reply #2 of 3 posted 28 JUN by Margaret Furness
Sorry, I have 1910 and 1912, but not 11.
REPLY
Reply #3 of 3 posted 28 JUN by Patricia Routley
Thanks Margaret.
Does anybody else have access to this reference please?
REPLY
Discussion id : 8-360
most recent 11 DEC 09 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 MAY 05 by Unregistered Guest
I live in zone 8b, in Central Texas. My Alberic Barbier is about 3 years old. The first spring, he threw out canes 20' long. He is evergreen here, disease resistant, and blooms beautifully for over a month. There has been no repeat bloom as yet. He is placed vertically on a fence, and is currently covered in blooms. The scent is nice. The canes are not stiff, and are easy to work with, but there are many small thorns. I use him as a barrier to discourage kids cutting across the pasture to get to the creek, and as a screen. He does both jobs well.
REPLY
Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 MAY 05 by Lyn G
If you want more blooms, you might try tying down some of those long canes to the fence. This will encourage more growth and more blooms.

Smiles,

Lyn
helpmefind.com
REPLY
Reply #2 of 2 posted 11 DEC 09 by arvid jørgensen
Hi!
I can see your comments were uploaded as early as in May. I hope your Alberic Barbier has shown his usual later flowers and clusters of flowers this year. If not, just be patient. I am sure it will happen eventually. He just needs some time. He is grouped as a once bloomer with scattered later flowers. I live at Lista on the southern coast of Norway, and I have had my plant for a number of years now. He has usually given a few flowers and clusteres every season, as predicted. This year however, the performance has been stunning. There has been an additional, smaller late autumn flush as well. Today on Dec 11th there are still flowers and buds on the plant He is actually one of the latest bloomers in my garden this year.
Good luck with your Alberic Barbier. He is one of my top favourites ,in spite of the lack of rain tolerance. Now this may not be such a problem in Texas.
Best wishes from Arvid
REPLY
Discussion id : 38-789
most recent 22 AUG 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 AUG 09 by arvid jørgensen
My plant was originally bought as "Climbing Iceberg" but the true identity soon revealed itself. Here at Lista in the best zone of Norway this is a vigorous rambler. I have had it for a number of years and it grows profusely, sending out stems and twigs in all directions, making me very happy too in the process. It has so far been very disease resistant. Enormous quantities of flowers cover the plant during the main flush, which should be the only one since this is regarded a once flowering variety. However scattered flowers usually appear later in the season. So, with all these good qualities piled up on the bright side, isn`t there a back side as well? Yes, the flowers have an extreme disliking for rain. Protracted rain during the main flush is indeed very annoying to say the least. Still this rose remains one of my top favourites.

Once blooming indeed! - well this season Monsieur Alberic has really" made a spectacle" of himself. After the stunning first flush, he continued almost without delay to show off the usual scattered flowers and clusters of flowers until he in late autumn sported what I dare call a second, smaller flush. Never had I thought that Alberic Barbier and Sander`s White Rambler would be among the latest bloomers in my garden this year. The below photo was taken on Dec 1st 2009.
REPLY
© 2020 HelpMeFind.com