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'Margaret McGredy' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 123-996
most recent 21 NOV 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 NOV 20 by CybeRose
A Rose Odyssey (1937: p123-124)
J H Nicolas

In 1933 I had found a curious sport on Margaret McGredy. The foliage strongly resembled Rugosa but the plant characteristics also leaned toward R. cinnamomea. I mentioned this fact to Sam III [McGredy] when I visited him in 1934. Sam could not account for the sport. He had never used species in his breeding. His brother-in-law, Walter I. Johnston, spoke up, "Your father did much more work with species." We adjourned to the office, where complete hybridizing records from the early days of the firm are kept, one volume for each year, a valuable library. After several hours of research we traced the origin of Margaret McGredy to crosses of Rugosa and Cinnamomea. They were, of course, many generations back. But as these two species are in the blood stream of Margaret McGredy and all modern McGredy roses, the possibility of the sport was explained. It is an accepted fact that hybrids alone sport (pure species mutate, but rarely, if ever, sport) and can sport only within what is in them.

Lately, the most unusual thing has happened to that sport. A sport is supposed to be a part of the hybrid compound which "took a walk". But this sport must have carried the whole pack as it has sported again a Hybrid Tea type with a magnificent bloom much more intensely colored than the original Margaret McGredy and is distinctly a different rose. I am planning to name it "Margaret Second".
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Discussion id : 119-608
most recent 29 MAR 20 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 JAN 20 by Plazbo
So it seems to set hips reliably and they are huge, almost golf ball size and still not drooping down in the slightest, largest hips on a rose I've seen so far. Yet to harvest for seed count. Will be interesting to see germination and what appears in the seedlings.

New canes have grown and thorn count between canes is very variable. Canes can be super thorny like Alexander (https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.180925) and many of it's descendants with varying size of thorns covering almost every bit of cane. Others are less densely thorned (like a picture I've uploaded previously). Certainly not low thorn by my standards as gloves are needed to handle it in most cases.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 6 MAR 20 by petera
Are you still happy your rose is really Margaret McGredy? I received a rose labelled that from Thomas for Roses last year and it has pure orange flowers with paler reverse and has masses of prickles on the vigorous shoots. The photos of your rose appear to be closer to the colours given in the references but does it have any yellow on the backs of the petals? It is such an important rose if it still exists. I have ordered one from Wagners in the hope it is correctly identified but I have my doubts. Steve Beck told me that Wagners got their plant from him and he had obtained it from Thomas but plants can get confused or even replaced with correct varieties without others knowing.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 6 MAR 20 by Plazbo
I honestly don't know, I'm not great with identifying older roses when all we have are black and white photos or paintings that seem to differ quite significantly from painter to painter or from reality (ie a lot of the early yellows are painted really deep yellow but just don't reflect that at all in reality). Add in MM and it's reported tendency to sport and it gets murky.

I image we have the same plant, it's a warm orange that leans towards the red/pink side than the yellow side of the orange spectrum. Vigorous and with many thorns. Each cane varies in degree of thorns but none approach anything I'd consider low thorn. I have not noticed yellow in it's reverse but I also probably haven't been looking that hard, yellow being one of those colours that fade to nothing very quickly here...I mean the Talisman I have is so faded compared to most peoples images.

I do have a bunch of seed from it, many being likely OP selfs which may reveal more about it but that's months away.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 11 MAR 20 by petera
I will compare the plants when I get the Wagners version and keep you posted.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 28 MAR 20 by Plazbo
Just an observation.
Now with summer over and temps declining (and light rain being more frequent) it's become quite spotty and yellowing. Possibly downy mildew more than blackspot but I've never been good at telling one from the other :)
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 28 MAR 20 by Patricia Routley
You might like to compare the foliage with that of ‘Peace’. The 1926, 1927, 1936 and 1978 references are of interest in relation to the foliage.

Downy mildew can produce sudden leaf drop in spring. It is characterised by purplish blotches on the leaves and stems.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 29 MAR 20 by Plazbo
Just uploaded two pics. I imagine its probably not the real MM, its a warm orangey pinky colour but so many other parts dont seem to line up with early descriptions
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 29 MAR 20 by Patricia Routley
I imagine it is not the real MM as well. The base of the leaf shape is more or less cuneate, or wedge shape, as against the ovate or rounded leaf base of ‘Peace’. In addition your leaves look matt as against ‘Peace’s glossy leaves. I’ll make a new file called “Margaret McGredy (in commerce in Australia as)” and move your photos.

I think that is black spot as downy mildew tends to appear between the veins.
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Discussion id : 117-743
most recent 19 OCT 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 JUL 19 by Plazbo
I received Margaret McGreedy as a bareroot today from Wagners Nursery. I can only ask, thornless or nearly compared to what? R. Spinosissima? Rugosa's? R. Bracteata?

It's not something I'd say is low, or even moderate, thorn based on the ~1foot canes on the bareroot....maybe it's just super thorny in the lower half and near thornless towards the ends of canes like some roses are...will update in a few months.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 22 JUL 19 by Patricia Routley
In the meantime, read the 1991 and 1936 references. It will be most interesting to hear how it does for you in Sydney. Do you know the rootstock of your plant?
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 23 JUL 19 by Plazbo
No idea what the root stock is.

Its rugosa ancestry is a significant part of why I got it, potentially more forgiving (aka produce pollen fertile triploids) when crossing back into the diploid rugosa hybrids. Was just amused as I was expecting it to be a lot less thorny.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 17 OCT 19 by Plazbo
So far its doing pretty well. It becomes less thorny towards the end of canes but still thorny compared to modern thornless. Hard to describe colour, clearly yellow/orange influence but its more mid/deep neon salmon, maybe just the first bloom or current weather conditions.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 17 OCT 19 by Patricia Routley
Looking forward to seeing photos when it starts producing. This is quite an historic rose.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 18 OCT 19 by Nastarana
Do be aware that it doesn't like being pruned. Mine died after a vigorous pruning. I was hoping for more growth from the crown and pruned a bud too far. Perhaps this would not happen in a warmer climate, but do be forewarned.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 19 OCT 19 by Plazbo
Will keep that in mind, although I'm pretty lazy only really prune dead wood.
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