'Bengale Centfeuilles' rose Reviews & Comments
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6 NOV 17 by
CybeRose
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Apparently, 'Bengale à grandes feuilles' (L. Noisette) is not the same as Cartier's 'Bengale cent feuilles'.
Dictionnaire des roses: ou, Guide général du rosiériste, Volume 1 page 149 (1885)
By Max Singer
Bengale à grandes feuilles. L. Noisette. Arbrisseau vigoureux, à rameaux droits et glauques, armés d'aiguillons nombreux, violets, larges à la base, crochus; folioles allongées, planes, un peu dentées, très larges et d'un vert foncé; fleurs réunies au nombre de trois à cinq, en bouquets terminaux, doubles, d'un rose tendre lors de l'épanouissement, puis carmin, et enfin passant au pourpre foncé.
Google Translation: Vigorous shrub, with straight, glaucous branches, armed with numerous, violet spines, broad at the base, hooked; leaflets elongate, flat, slightly dentate, very broad, and dark green; flowers united in number from three to five, in terminal bouquets, double, of a soft pink at the time of blooming, then carmine, and finally turning to dark purple.
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#1 of 3 posted
9 NOV 17 by
 jedmar
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Yes, that is quite possible. The synonymity seems to come from the "Old Rose Advisor". I would collect some more references to be sure, then separate.
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#2 of 3 posted
10 NOV 17 by
CybeRose
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I am looking for a source that lists both, but so far no luck.
The color is different, though. According to Redoute, the Bengale Cent feuille flowers were a little darker than those of R. Indica vulgaris (Parsons' Pink?). To the contrary, the sources I've found state that the Grandes Feuilles had flowers that changed from pale to dark.
Also, it is odd to find detailed descriptions in the 1830s and 1840s of a rose that had been around since before 1804.
I'll keep looking.
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#3 of 3 posted
4 SEP 23 by
odinthor
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The 1st edition of The Old Rose Advisor offered the synonymy between 'Bengale Centfeuilles' and 'Bengale à Grandes Feuilles' with a question mark, and the 2nd edition of The Old Rose Advisor abandoned any synonymy.
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7 NOV 17 by
CybeRose
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Das Buch der Rosen, p. 263 (1840)
Ferdinand von Biedenfeld
Le Bengale à grandes feuilles. Gefüllt, mittelgross, zart rosenroth, mit Uebergängen bis in dunkelpurpurfarbig; in Sträussen blühend.
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7 NOV 17 by
CybeRose
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Manuel complet de l'amateur de roses, Volume 1, page 269 (1836)
By Pierre Boitard
Bengale à grandes feuilles. L. Noisette. Arbrisseau vigoureux, à rameaux droits et glauques, armés d'aiguillons nombreux, violets, larges à la base, crochus; folioles allongées, planes, un peu dentées, très larges et d'un vert foncé; fleurs réunies au nombre de trois à cinq, en bouquets terminaux, doubles, d'un rose tendre lors de l'épanouissement, puis carmin, et enfin passant au pourpre foncé.
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9 NOV 14 by
CybeRose
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Le Bon Jardinier pour l'année 1826 p. 732
By A. Poiteau
Parmi les nombreuses variétés du R. de Bengale, on trouve pour faire de belles palissades, hautes de 5 à 6 pieds, le R. bengale commun, le noisette, le *cent feuilles*, celui à fleurs blanches, celui à feuilles étroites; ils offrent tous des différences dans la grandeur et la couleur de leurs fleurs. 10 degrés de froid les fatiguent.
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