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Discussion id : 98-233
most recent 29 MAR 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
Updated information:

Definitely less vigorous than its parent.
Badly prone to balling.
Prone to defoliation.
Negligible scent.

On probation (Sword of Damocles version).
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Updated again - September 10th: After looking like rubbish most of winter, this thing is now going bonkers lush for spring. Lots of healthy, shiny, rich green foliage. So far, anyway. No idea what will happen once the wet season hits, but at least it's putting on good growth now, which has to be an advantage.
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Discussion id : 94-686
most recent 5 SEP 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
Mine is settling in, but I've already noticed that it is more prone to blackspot than the parent. New Zealand's foliage is clean so far, without any spraying. Full Sail's is getting a tad too "HT" for my liking. I am very much over that look these days.

This may be due to the rootstock. New Zealand is on multiflora. Full Sail is on Dr. Huey. I am already contemplating taking some cuttings of Full Sail to try on their own roots. I don't think it will ultimately be worth keeping on Huey in this area, unless you either like spraying or like diseased yellowing foliage. I don't like either.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 1 SEP 16 by Nastarana
Is no one in Australia experimenting with rootstalks that might be appropriate for Australian conditions?
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 1 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
Yes. Different rootstocks are used by different nurseries in different parts of the country, but Full Sail was only available to me on Huey. It seems to be the most commonly used rootstock in states other than Western Australia, but at this stage it doesn't appear to be suitable for conditions in my area.

This is interesting to me, because it has also got me wondering if Mister Lincoln, Meilland's Peace, and Soeur Emmanuelle might be more disease-resistant here on their own roots. The examples I have at the moment are probably on Huey (not sure, but probably) and may be worth trying as own-root.

I also have a young Rosette Delizy on Huey, and that seems to be fine for disease. Then again it's a Tea, and those are usually much stronger than the modern HT's.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 1 SEP 16 by Margaret Furness
Dr Huey is used mainly in South Australia, as the Adelaide plains have alkaline soil; multiflora is used by a Hills-based nursery, where the soil is acid. The eastern states and Tasmania mainly use forms of multiflora. Fortuneana is used in WA because Perth has sandy soil; but it may not be ideal for the hills around Perth. Backyard growers for hardware chains are unpredictable - one apparently uses R indica major (Fun Jwan Lo), which major nurseries gave up on some time ago. And all of them will sucker.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 2 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
This Full Sail came from Swane's, just outside Sydney. I purchased it from GreenE, but they had sourced it from Swane's, which is just down the road from them. Point being that apparently Swane's relies on Huey despite not being in South Oz. I can't remember what the soil around Galston is like. Haven't been there for donkey's years.

Incidentally the plant itself seems to be going quite well. It's not weak or anything like that. It's just spottier than I'd like it to be. I suppose I could try liming it.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 4 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
I remembered something I'd read here yonks ago, so went and found it.

http://www.helpmefind.com/peony/pl.php?n=10939&tab=32

Tessie's comment under Discussion id 71-434:

"...Both the water and soil here are alkaline too. In addition, roses grafted on multiflora or with lots of multiflora genes also flourish..."

Just to further confuse the issue with regard to rootstocks.

Edit: Come to think of it, R. multiflora's natural habitat includes coastal sand dunes, with accompanying salt, which are about as far from acidic clay or loam as you're likely to get.

Edit again: Was actually thinking of rugosa there, not multiflora, so not really relevant.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 5 SEP 16 by Margaret Furness
I'd rather have everything non-suckering on its own roots. But almost the only HTs I grow are old survivors.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 5 SEP 16 by Give me caffeine
Yeah I'm keen on trying some on their own roots. They're plants. It should work.
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Discussion id : 94-552
most recent 24 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 AUG 16 by pminor
BTW Sloat sold this rose in 5gal size this spring n summer
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Discussion id : 94-551
most recent 24 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 AUG 16 by pminor
I misposted this comment at parent new zealand. I have full sail in my garden east side of coastal hills n. CA. This is a very beautiful fragrant rose. However morning fog balls most of buds which rot and never open. Did best in drought.
This morning i discovered a bud open about 3 petals depth and in each level of the petal spiral one petal is half pink mosaic like going all the way through so far. Will see if thats true when rose fully opens.
Second problem with this roseis that it has branch dieback. Sometimes when i just cut a . Long stem the entire stem dies back and they dont come back. Had this happen when i pruned too. Was never very cold during drought so that may have contributed to it. But this rose is tall and doesnt take pruning well.
Will probably dig up and give to my daughter in san jose. Tolerates heat well
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