'Louise Odier' rose References
Newsletter (Feb 2018) Page(s) 10-12. Includes photo(s).
[From "Louise Odier: Most of the story at last", by Darrel g.h. Schramm, pp. 9-12]
Six Louises emerge from the Odier family tree: a greatgrandmother, three deceased aunts, one first cousin once removed, and James Odier’s own daughter Claire Louise (1833-1874). Three facts offer themselves as clues that the daughter is the namesake of the rose: 1) The French are often called by their second name; thus, if the tradition was followed, she was known as Louise; 2) James Odier had already named flowers, all pelargoniums, for the other members of his immediate family—his wife ‘Mme James Odier’, and his two sons ‘Adolphe Odier’ and “Gustave Odier’—not to mention himself. It would seem only right now to name a flower for his daughter; 3) More importantly, his daughter Louise was married to the prominent General Cavaignac (for whom a rose is also named) in 1851, the very year the rose was introduced. No doubt it was named to celebrate and honor his daughter for her engagement or wedding. I agree with Dickerson and Peter Harkness that it may not have been Margottin who bred the rose but only introduced it. He was a famous rose breeder; Odier and Duval were not. But while it could have been Odier who bred the rose, on the other hand it may have been Jacques Duval, the head gardener, who, after all, had bred Odier’s pelargoniums and geraniums, if not also the other flowers....
To be fair, however, I set down this fact: In the June 1883 issue of Journal des Roses, Jacques Margottin clearly states that it was he himself who grew a seedling from ‘Emile Courtier’, which he then pollinated with ‘Comice de Seine-et-Marne’ or ‘Dupetit Thouars’ or ‘George Cavier’ or perhaps yet another dark rose. From one of these came the rose he named ‘Louise Odier’. By then James Odier had died, in 1864, as had Jacques Duval, in 1876, so who was to contradict Margottin? And speaking of contradictions, in that same article, Margottin stated that the rose was of “great vigor’ but at the end of it contradicted himself, claiming, “Its growth is of medium vigor.” Did he really breed ‘Louise Odier’?....
The rose: 'Louise Odier’ is stunning! Grown as a shrub or short climber, she produces erect canes with roses on long, somewhat arching stems, given to an easily countable number of prickles, reflexed and maroon but turning greyish white with age. Some shade will do this lady 11 no harm. The flowers are full, large, luxuriant, and richly perfumed. They bear a classic, old-world appearance in a warm, affluent pink, their central petals sometimes rather quartered, sometimes more ruffled, while the rest have layered themselves carefully in circles around them in a camellia-like, shapely and formal fashion. Recurrent and floriferous, they pride themselves as excellent cut flowers.
Book (2015) Page(s) 194.
[From Bitter Sweet.... But Loverly Roses in my Garden", by Mariam Ahmad (Merille A. Ghazali), pp. 190-195 on Roses in Malaysia]
...In my pursuit of local roses, I also found that the roses that the Malaysians call Rose Pengantin (Bride's Rose) is actually Louise Odier.
Website/Catalog (27 Jul 2011) Includes photo(s).
Rosa ‘Louise Odier’
Classified as a Hybrid Bourbon or Bourbon Perpetual by Paul and a Bourbon by Rivers. ‘Louise Odier’ is a hardy rose with very double, almost camellia-like, bright rosy-peach coloured flowers, borne in clusters. A good pot rose and recommended as a late-flowering rose. [Paul (1848, 1863, 1888), Gard. Chron. 1858, Amat].
Horticultural & Botanical History
Introduced by Margottin in 1851. Thomas Rivers wrote of ‘Louise Odier’ that it is ‘almost equal to Coupe d’Hebé in the shape of its bright rose-coloured flowers’, and is one of a few Bourbon Roses, of remarkably vigorous habits, scarcely adapted for planting in beds. [Rivers (1854, 1857, 1863)].
History at Camden Park
Included in a handwritten list of roses dated 1861, probably intended for a new edition of the catalogue that was never printed. [MP A2943].
Booklet (2009) Page(s) 29.
Tetraploid...Louise Odier [Provenance: Antique Rose Emporium]
Article (magazine) (2009) Page(s) 30.
'Louise Odier' Source RJBM [Réal Jardin Botanico Madrid] Chromosome Number 28
Article (misc) (2005) Page(s) 111, Table 5-1.
Louise Odier : Pentaploid
Book (Apr 1999) Page(s) 499.
[Dickerson speculates] "that this rose was named after the wife or daughter of James Odier, nurseryman of Bellevue, near Paris, who was active at the time 'Louise Odier' [the rose] was introduced. Monsieur Odier was indeed also a rosebreeder, having bred and introduced the early (1849) Hybrid Tea 'Gigantesque'. He may well thus have been the actual breeder of 'Louise Odier', Margottin later purchasing full propagation rights from him."
Website/Catalog (4 Jan 1999) Page(s) 14. Includes photo(s).
Website/Catalog (31 Dec 1998) Page(s) 30. Includes photo(s).
Website/Catalog (Jun 1998) Page(s) 35. Includes photo(s).