'Valencia' rose reviews and comments

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Discussion id : 69-362 most recent 14 JAN 15 SHOW ALL

Initial post 10 JAN 13 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

Reply #1 of 4 posted 10 JAN 13 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #2 of 4 posted 6 OCT 13 by Nancylee

The 2013-2014 Palatine catalog is showing an AARA date of 1967 for Valentia; but further down it says 1989 Kordes. I dont think it is what you are looking fot; but, you might call them to see.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 4 posted 7 OCT 13 by HMF supporting member

Cà Berta

Reply #4 of 4 posted 14 JAN 15 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Kordes recycles almost all of its names. Its sometimes very frustrating.	REPLY

Discussion id : 50-199 most recent 4 DEC 10 SHOW ALL

Initial post 30 NOV 10 by mike bundick

Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 DEC 10 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

Mike, if You would like to look under the Buy From tab or the Gardens tab for this rose. There is one nursery listed, for this rose and several gardens.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 DEC 10 by mike bundick

Sorry but that nursery carries only the 1989 version but thanks for the tip	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 4 DEC 10 by HMF supporting member

HMF Admin

We've update the listing to reflect this. In the future, please feel free to contact us when you find we have a listing error like this.	REPLY

Discussion id : 29-595 most recent 30 DEC 08 SHOW ALL

Initial post 4 AUG 08 by Unregistered Guest

Just to renew the search, Im still looking for cuttings of Valencia 1967. Have even travelled overseas and looked in Japan and Australia to no avail. If anyone has cuttings or a lead on a source I'd be grateful if you'd share.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 3 posted 29 DEC 08 by Unregistered Guest

I used to have this rose when I lived in Salt Lake City. We now live in California, but maybe the person that lives in our old house still has the rose--It is a very long shot.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 30 DEC 08 by Unregistered Guest

Thanks for your reply. Are you going to get in touch with them to check to see if Valencia is still living on the property. Let me know - this has been a long long search for me, and thank.s Mike	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 30 DEC 08 by Unregistered Guest

I no longer know who lives there. It's been quite a while. I have the address if anyone from Salt Lake City can check it out. It's been so long I doubt that it is still there.	REPLY

Discussion id : 7-574 most recent 16 JUL 07 SHOW ALL

Initial post 2 FEB 05 by Unregistered Guest

I will pay anyone $100 for a budwood specimen of this rose. Please contact me if you are growing this older version of Kordes' Valencia and I will take care of all of the details. Thank you!	REPLY

Reply #1 of 28 posted 8 APR 05 by anonymous-5528

Hi, I have budwood for the Valencia you are looking for. It is a strikingly beautiful warm apricot with great form and scent. It appears to be unvirused. Let me know if you still need it and exactly what you want. Thanks, Susan	REPLY

Reply #2 of 28 posted 18 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #3 of 28 posted 18 APR 05 by HMF supporting member

RoseBlush

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Reply #8 of 28 posted 20 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #9 of 28 posted 21 SEP 05 by BoMarkSF

I ran the ad in ARS magazine for four months and not one single reply! I am very disappointed, but I still have hope. Someone somewhere at some point in time will read this post and contact me and the Valencia of 1967 will live on! Please, if you know ANYTHING, contact me. Thank you!	REPLY

Reply #5 of 28 posted 19 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

Mike: Susan's Valencia is the Kordes 1989 version. I have now placed a want-ad in the American Rose magazine for budwood of Valencia 1967. If I am successful, I will be happy to let you know. Please send me your E-mail address. Thanks.	REPLY

Reply #6 of 28 posted 19 APR 05 by anonymous-5528

Sorry for the inevitable flurry of excitement my mistake caused. Good luck! You might want to somehow ask people at the upcoming Heritage Rose Foundation conference in California (May 12-14, 2005). By the way, I don't sell roses, I just have a garden.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 28 posted 20 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

Susan: That's okay.....an honest mistake. I still appreciate your taking the time and effort to respond to my query. I have thought about the Heritage Rose thing too; great idea! Sorry, the way all of the roses from your garden are listed on HMF, I assumed that you were also in the business of selling. I am still optimistic. The person who supplied the picture of Valencia 1967 to HMF prefers to remain annonymous. I believe she resides somewhere in Canada, but that is just a hunch. Please, if you're out there somewhere and you read this.....have mercy on me! Thank you.

Reply #4 of 28 posted 19 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest

Dear Susan, Thanks for your response. I checked the list of roses that you are offering for sale under the name of "Eel River Roses". As I had feared, you are referring to the newer Kordes version of Valencia, which was introduced in 1989. To make matters worse, Kordes has an even newer Valencia, which they introduced last year! That makes three times in the last thirty-eight years that they have used the same name. That is not doing any of us in the rose world any good! Again, the Kordes Valencia that I seek was introduced in 1967 and was the Jackson & Perkins Rose of the Year that year. It is also classified as an apricot blend HT, as is your Valencia. The colors are very different however. Valencia 1967 is an apricot-gold, similar to Oldtimer, or the new rose About Face. Your Valencia 1989 is the color of peach ice cream. It is also an awesome rose and I have been growing in for the last ten years. Alas, the search goes on. Thanks again for your interest.

Reply #10 of 28 posted 28 OCT 06 by digger

I didn't realize this thread was here. An elderly friend has had Valencia (1967) in her yard since the 70s. I was familiar with the 89 version and thought she was mistaken or had a mismarked rose when she told me it was Valencia. That was back in 1995. Once I found HMF, I realized that there was a earlier Valencia. Lu was very pleased when I told her I was the one in error and her Valencia was one I had not been aware of. We take her to the grocery today and I will see if she will give up any cuttings. This is the wrong time of year to be cutting roses in Montana. It may have to wait until spring if she is agreeable.

Valencia is a tough rose. Luella refuses to protect her roses. It is at least 30 years old and still going strong.

Dave

Reply #11 of 28 posted 29 OCT 06 by BoMarkSF

Dear Dave, This is truly remarkable news! If this is true, you have not only made me very happy personally, but you have also done a great service to rose growers everywhere. I knew that if I was patient, eventually I would hear some good news on this matter. What I find shocking is not so much that the rose exists, but that according to your post this specimen of Valencia '67 is a 30 year old plus bush, growing in Montana and unprotected from the ravages of the harsh winters characteristic of the region. I grew this rose as a young man in my native Detroit from 1967 through the end of the 70's, when it disappeared from commerce. Anyone familiar with this rose knows that it is extremely sensitive to cold. In Michigan I found myself replacing it nearly every spring, as if it were an annual plant! It also was notorious for cane die-back. If you are not familiar with that term, it means that after a number of years in the ground, an otherwise healthy rose would just sort of spontanteously self-detruct; with a blackish blight beginning at the tip of each cane and moving downward towards the union bud. Eventually, this affliction would destroy the entire plant and it would die. There is no known scientific explanation for this phenomena, some roses are just more suseptible to this condition than others. Anyways, you are correct in saying that this is not the time of the year to be harvesting cuttings from your friend's plant. If you would please follow-up on this and keep me posted, I would be eternally grateful. Please respond at your leisure to my internet E-mail address, which is BOMARKSF@AOL.com I am sure that we can work out the details of pursuing this endeavor further. I will wait to hear from you. Meanwhile, God bless you and take care! Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA

Reply #12 of 28 posted 29 OCT 06 by Unregistered Guest

Bob, Please let me know how this plays out - I would be glad to assist anyway I can and would love to be able to buy a plant, cutting or budwood. This is good news. Mike Bundick	REPLY

Reply #13 of 28 posted 30 OCT 06 by BoMarkSF

Hey Mike, good to know that you're still out there! I have not heard back yet from Dave, but hope that I will soon. I will definitely keep you in the loop. Take care. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA	REPLY

Reply #14 of 28 posted 30 OCT 06 by Cheryl

I know the older 'Valencia' is floating around over here in Australia so at least it is not lost to all mankind. Probably doesn't help you much if you are in the US. It's a beautiful thing. Almost an orange. I have the later one so I know the differences between them. I hope that you are fortunate in your searching.

BTW There is a photo of the rose you are looking for on James Young's website at http://www.jamesyoungpicturelibrary.com/netpub/server.np?quickfind

Cheryl

Reply #15 of 28 posted 30 OCT 06 by digger

Lu says she would be happy to send wood . She loves sharing plants. Reimbursement for postage/handling is all she will accept. Valencia was planted with the bud union below ground level. Deb and I have taken care of her roses since her husband died. Valencia is not cane hardy here and every year I prune it down to ground level. I don't recall it ever having live cane above the leaves that blow into the garden.

Though we are zone 4/5 here in Billings, some notoriously tender roses thrive for us if we can get them through their first winter. Brandy even survived a couple winters before I began protecting in winter. This was her 11th season in our yard and she is one of our best. A Peace that Deb's grandmother had here is 30+ years old and still going strong. It was never protected. Deb seems to love to get roses that won't survive here. Her latest is Color Magic. I warned her in 2005 that people in zone 6 couldn't get CM to survive winter. You know it is coming.... what rose not only survived winter but was one of our best roses in 2006, yeah, it was Color Magic. Check our rose list here or at http://65.18.154.219/digger.com/gallery/albums.php and you will think I am full of it claiming some of the tender roses we have thrive here. I get very tired of hearing that Sterling Silver can't be such a good rose in our zone (or anywhere). I have told folks for years that Deb, Luella and her late sister, Edna (Deb's best pal for years) were powerful garden sorceresses that could grow anything. I was joking, of course... or was I? Sorry about getting carried away. Valencia seems like many of our tender roses. Doesn't resent being pruned back to the ground every spring and comes back every year to put on a great show.

Now the bad news, blown blooms resemble the photo that you feel is in error. Buds and opening blooms don't have much blush or pink in them. Aged blooms definitely do on Lu's plant.

Reply #16 of 28 posted 26 JAN 07 by Unregistered Guest

Hi, Just wondering if your friend is still open to sharing cuttings or budwood come spring. Any reimbursement she needs would be no problem, as I have been searching a long time for this one and am very anxious to get it back. Just keep me informed and again thanks very much. Mike	REPLY

Reply #17 of 28 posted 26 JAN 07 by BoMarkSF

Haven't heard a peep out of anyone on this since last year. They are having a really bad winter there this year, so I doubt that any pruning or budwood harvesting will take place until late April/early May. I will pursue this further as spring approaches. I will let you know what develops. Take care. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA	REPLY

Reply #18 of 28 posted 26 JAN 07 by digger

Haven't forgotten. Valencia is buried in snow. I have been piling extra on it this winter. We were at -21°F a few days ago. That wasn't wind chill. 25 mph breeze had wind chill around -50. Pretty much a normal winter. We don't get blooms here until mid June and that is if we don't get a hard freeze in May. All exposed cane is dead and I'll have to wait for new growth to harvest. Dave	REPLY

Reply #19 of 28 posted 27 JAN 07 by BoMarkSF

Reply #20 of 28 posted 10 APR 07 by Unregistered Guest

Bob, Just reminding you to keep me in mind, have been doing cuttings of Lucille Ball and Plum Crazy for people whoare in the same state about those varieties as you and I are with Valencia. Really looking forward to at least a shot at having it again. Mike	REPLY

Reply #21 of 28 posted 13 APR 07 by BoMarkSF

I haven't heard from the Boyds recently, but I am sure that I will as spring unfolds. I don't imagine that pruning in Montana would take place until the end of this month anyways. It really depends too what is made available to us. Soft, new, green growth might be okay for cuttings, but I would rather work with dormant bud eyes and have them grafted to good understock. That would require more mature wood. Do you have any thoughts on this? Pros and cons? Stay in touch! Bob

Reply #22 of 28 posted 13 APR 07 by digger

I'll be pruning in the next couple weeks. All that cane will be dead. All cane above ground is graveyard dead in spring. Lu had triple bypass surgery a couple weeks ago and is in the hospital. If she doesn't recover enough to go home, the house is to be sold. I may have to transplant it in our yard. The earliest cuttings would be available would be July after the first flush. That would not be mature wood. I don't know if transplanting will cause a delay if I have to go that route.

Dave

Reply #23 of 28 posted 13 APR 07 by Unregistered Guest

Sorry to hear of her illness I hope she recovers fully from the surgery. Moving a bush as old as that one apparently is is risky so whatever the outcome, ie, cuttings for me or not, please take some yourself prior to moving it just in case. And for me green wood is fine for cuttings. I will keep you both in my prayers Mike	REPLY

Reply #24 of 28 posted 15 APR 07 by BoMarkSF

Dear Dave, Thank you so much for staying on top of this for us! I am so sorry to hear about Lu's illness and I wish her a complete and speedy recovery. For my purposes of grafting to understock, cuttings after the first wave of bloom would be ideal. Please keep me posted as things progress. Bob Marker, San Francisco, CA	REPLY

Reply #25 of 28 posted 12 JUL 07 by Unregistered Guest

Reply #26 of 28 posted 14 JUL 07 by digger

Bad news. I went to Lu's house to a few weeks ago to get some roses and cuttings. Luella will have to stay in a nursing home and the house is being sold. The entire garden is new sod. I called her guardian and was told she forgot to let me know she had hired a landscape company to get rid of the gardens. I called the company and all the plants removed were loaded on a truck and taken to the landfill. I can't even tell Lu what happened. It would upset her too much. I'll let her think Patsy Cline, Valencia and some others are in our garden. Getting angry typing this so I'll have to be brief. Sorry I got your hopes up.

digger

Reply #27 of 28 posted 14 JUL 07 by HMF supporting member

HMF Admin

What a sad sequence of events.	REPLY

Reply #28 of 28 posted 16 JUL 07 by Unregistered Guest

Very sad indeed - that may have been the last existing plant in the US for all we know. I will continue to search overseas - I heard it is still in Australia.	REPLY