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'Mrs. Bryce Allan' rose Reviews & Comments
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Your Comment makes me really happy and am so glad you get a perfume.
.....But now I am really sad, because it looks as though I have accidently deleted your Comment, when I wanted the Reply button. Very sorry Petera.
(Basically, it was Petera is growing this rose from David Ruston’s collection. It survived a mild winter of -4 degrees, looked a bit sick, but is now bouncing back again.)
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#2 of 3 posted
15 NOV 20 by
petera
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Patricia,
Maybe a deep, subliminal desire to cancel me came to the fore. Anyway, this rose has a glorious scent, grew really well and repeated quickly in its first year, then died back badly towards the end of winter, despite this winter being relatively mild in my frost hollow at the foot of Mount Macedon. It got down merely to -4C. What remains of the plant is now shooting away vigorously and I hope its bad behaviour was just an aberration. The budwood came from the HRIA collection at Ruston's, which I know because I collected it myself.
In lots of cases I have not been able to separate direct frost damage from a constitutional tendency to die back. Sometimes it's obvious, some teas and tea/noisettes like Mrs Dudley Cross and Mrs Graham Hart have growth patterns incompatible with my climate. Consistently they send out water shoots in June to be immediately annihilated, spend most of the next growing season recovering, but do the same thing again the next winter. Others like Irene Churruca are just ghastly plants and dieback is merely an added feature. Mrs. Sam McGredy died back below ground in its first winter but hasn't shown any problems in subsequent years. Roses continue to mystify me.
Peter
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Nope. None of those. The only desire I have is to encourage your deep interest in old roses.
I suspect your soil at Mt Macedon is like mine, a deep acidic loam. As far as I understand it, roses are most happy is alkaline conditions. I used to dig massive planting holes and fill them with all sorts of goodies and the own-root roses used to leap out of the ground. I still give every rose a handful of dolomite each winter. But, over the decades the natural soil acidity creeps back in. Apparently there is no magnesium, nor potash in my soul.....no, no - soil! I bought myself a pallet-full of that stuff that the rose societies promote - enough for five years. After two years of use, I am still getting die-back. Ideally, I should have developed a love for rhododendrons etc, but roses grabbed me by my root hairs and never let me go.
You might like to record the provenance of your ‘Mrs. Bryce Allan’: Mrs. Sheila Gravett-1; Noelene Drage-2; David Ruston-3;
There is a little more in the 2009 reference.
I’ll attached today’s photo of my four stemmed ‘Mrs. Bryce Allen’ - all stems under 12 inches high.
Interesting you comment on ‘Irene Churruca’. Co-incidentally I have a vase of own-root ‘Irene Churruca’ on the table right now, well and truly ready for the compost bin. But it was...lovely.
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#4 of 3 posted
15 NOV 20 by
petera
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Patricia,
Your MBA looks as impressive as my Irene Churrucas. There were two plants at Rustons and we collected from both. I have three plants but have lost track of which were from which Ruston's plant (yes I know that will make you grumpy). John N may still have that information. If I could get enough growth from them I could do a proper comparison. I have never seen flowers as yellow as yours appear to have been but they are very attractive when the do occur. You are right about deep acid soil. I put on vast amounts of lime each winter and the HPs in particular seem to like it. I also apply at least 10 cubic metres of mushroom compost through the year. With so many low vigour varieties I have to push them very hard. If a plant doesn't grow I fertilise it. If it still doesn't grow I fertilise even more, and so forth. Eventually it will be forced either to grow or to die. The former outcome is preferable but the latter gives me a planting spot for some other variety that better appreciates all the attention it gets.
Peter
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Who was Mrs. Bryce Allan?
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#1 of 10 posted
8 NOV 09 by
 jedmar
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A Captain Bryce Allan, steered the ship "Albion" from Scotland in 1847, and got stuck in the ice near Newfoundland, arriving at Quebec after 72 days only. Burke says:
"Bryce Allan of Aron House, Isle of Mull, formerly of Liverpool, shipowner....b. 1814...d. 1874, leaving issue....
Alexander Allan....hon. Sheriff for Argyll, b. 4 Nov 1844....d. 15 Dec. 1927, leaving issue. The only son,
Bryce Allan of Aros House, Isle of Mull, O.B.E. (1919)...colonel...light brigade...served in World War I...b. 2 June 1874...married 1stly 14 Feb 1900, Hilda Mary (d. 1 Aug. 1967), daughter of James H. Allan, of Shawley Wood House, Worcester...."
Second marriage was on 2 June 1928, so "Mrs. Bryce Allan" was Hilda Mary Allan, wife of Bryce Allan jun., Scottish landed gentry, grandon of the Captain...
G**e also says that Sotheby's sold in 1961 English, Continental and Chinese furniture the property of....Mrs. Bryce Allan...
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Patricia, your articles should be collected in a book!
One point. Mrs. Bryce Allan oroginated from Worcester, but her husband is from Scotland.
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Yes! They should! But your Karri Pigeon articles are here, in refs and that is brilliant.
Would you consider posting a full list of the roses you have written about in the Karri Pigeon on your page?
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Thanks Billy. I briefly thought about a book, but HelpMefind suits me just fine.
I do miss doing the articles though - when you immerse yourself totally in one rose at a time, it seems to give you a greater love for its beauty and its history. Somehow other things in life overtook this brief spell with the pen.
I did have some sort of an index and have put it on my page.
Patricia
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Just re-read through Karri Pigeon again, such a wonderful mix of very familiar roses and complete unknowns. Educational as well as a great read.
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Thank you Andrew. I am very pleased you enjoyed them. As for the very familiar roses, I get the same impression when Jay-Jay talks about his roses. Over the other side of the world, we are all growing the same beautiful roses.
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It is fascinating to see how a variety of rose grows in different conditions around the world. However, one of the things that most surprised me when I joined HMF was all the different roses not grown in the U.K. There were suddenly all these unknown (to me) varieties grown in Europe, in America, in Asia and in the southern hemisphere.
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There are the roses bred locally, and there are survivors that originated in the UK or USA. David Ruston had a lot, including early Dickson HTs that aren't listed elsewhere now (which doesn't mean they're not out there somewhere).
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