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Discussion id : 131-973
most recent 9 MAR 22 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 MAR 22 by Hopeisdopie
I have had a couple problems this morning while attempting to upload some pictures. This is the first time ive ever uploaded pictures to HMF to let me know if Im doing something wrong!
The first issue was while waiting for the picture to finish uploading to the plant profile it would basically never complete and then never upload the photo. This happened my first 4 attempts and so I decided to try to upload a different picture on a different rose profile which was successful.

After that first picture was successful I attempted to upload multiple photos of the same rose which caused the same thing as mention above to happen again.

So I tried to upload one at a time instead and the first picture was successful.
But now every time I try to "select" which file I want to upload It keeps giving me an error that says "You need to select a photo file name to upload from your computer. Use the BROWSE button"

It keeps saying that on every picture I try to upload now ????
Reply #1 of 4 posted 9 MAR 22 by Margaret Furness
I wonder if the files you're trying to upload are too large. 1.5MB is a practical maximum.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 9 MAR 22 by HMF Admin
File size is an issue but HMF can handle files larger than 1.5MB. How large was the that first photo file you intended to upload ? HMF normally will issue a message if the file you attempt to upload is too large.

It sounds like some of your photo files are too large and others are not. It's possible we have a software issue caused by photo files that exceed our upper limit - if you could provide the file sizes it would be very helpful.

If you close your browser and restart it, that should reset any prior issue with uploading so you can continue with other uploads.

Thank you for taking the time to report this issue. The support department looks forward to hearing from you
Reply #3 of 4 posted 9 MAR 22 by Johno
Reply #4 of 4 posted 9 MAR 22 by HMF Admin
The support dept is hoping to hear from you to research this issue. Another alternative is to email (attach) one of the apparently too large photo files to the support dept.
Discussion id : 56-976
most recent 3 NOV 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 2 SEP 11 by monimoni
i purchased purple tiger as an own root last fall, so i didnt really see it perform til this season, i was afraid i had made a mistake in purchasing this rose because of the other post. So far i have not been disappointed by this rose. It has bloomed for me every 6-7weeks. It is still very small, so it only has approx 4-6 blooms on it. I have not had any problems with black spotting and it is to small to cut for the vase.. But it is winter hardy for zone 6,pa, i donot mulch in winter because all my plant beds are rock to keep out unwanted moles, and purple tiger did just fine. So for me this rose does work in my garden.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 NOV 21 by AndromedaSea
It works well for me here in NJ/7a as well. Pretty much everything in my garden gets black spot in late summer, but this rose didn’t seem too bothered by it. It had a very lnon-prime spot (a little more shade from the willow tree than I’d expected) in wet, heavy clay. The flowers were gorgeous, the stems are plenty strong, and this little rose has been quite a performer for me.
Discussion id : 114-089
most recent 17 NOV 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 NOV 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
There's something about a trendy named rose with an exciting coloration that will get one's attention enough to buy it. That's this rose.

Was a great rose while in a sterile greenhouse with perfect conditions, but I imagine it needs Sterile Greenhouse conditions and reliance on sprays to make it through a year. I'm not that person.

The fragrance is so-so. A little like smelling Thompson seedless grapes. There's something there and maybe slightly sweet, but not really recognizable or determined to be something of interest. It's almost thornless, but easily those thornless canes yellow easily with mildew.
The color on this is fantastic. That's as far as it goes. I would recommend Purple Splash for anyone wanting this coloration, but with a plant that has some good vigor and disease resistance. My rating: 4.2

After spending a year working on this and getting it to stop dying, I'm going to leave it to see what happens. No special treatment anymore, just fertilize, mulch, and Aloha. We'll see.

**Updated 4/28/19: After 18 months of growing backward, it’s settled into a so-so healthy, band pot sized runt. It’s definitely one which doesn’t handle the elements alone and without chemical treatment. As it struggles with literally no vigor, I’m waiting to see if my final effort in allowing it to go own root will salvage what’s left. No treatments, except for light pruning, compost, black tea, organic fertilizer, and plenty sunshine and water. Had been consistently riddled with BS, and now seems to be flushing new growth without any spots. No flowers for over 14 months.
Discussion id : 91-680
most recent 19 FEB 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 23 MAR 16 by drossb1986
It's still early, but here in Houston Purple Tiger hasn't been too bad. The coloring is what it is, love it or hate it. It hasn't had a blackspot issue yet. It's bloomed at a decent clip, and I've left most of the blooms on the bush rather than cut them. My only negative is that I find the foliage on PT to be, frankly, ugly. Even healthy, it looks a little sickly to my eye. It's on the lighter shade of green as rose foliage goes, and has a slight maroon edging. It's just strange, and that may be a personal taste of mine, but I would certainly not categorize it as attractive. However, PT is grown because the color is so different, not because it makes the best all around plant.

August 2016 Update: Spoke too soon. Purple Tiger got some nasty blackspot, as others often report, and almost completely defoliated despite spraying. The first 2 spring flushes were quite beautiful, but it has been a turd through the summer. I wish someone could develop a more robust and disease resistant version of Purple Tiger. As someone else said about PT, it's a bit of a love-hate relationship.
Reply #1 of 11 posted 15 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
and you can't polish a turd...
Reply #2 of 11 posted 20 JAN 17 by Kim Rupert
Amen! When John Walden, formerly of J&P R&D Facility, visited my old Newhall garden many years ago, I asked him WHY they pushed THAT out on the gardening public. He chuckled and stated, "If you think it's bad now, you should have seen it before we cleaned it of virus." He also stated that there was an "improved" version of it in the pipeline. He was referring to Tigress (the grandiflora, not the Hulthemia), which sort of resembles it, if you squint. Tigress is a stronger grower, but was no healthier for me.
Reply #3 of 11 posted 20 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Kim, that is very interesting, that it was virused. From the information on HMF both its parents are reliable and healthy roses. Purple Tiger grows just like an old variety of a plant that has been propagated vegetativly for years and years and eventually becomes full of virus and is weak, difficult and temperamental to grow. There is drosb1986's comment "Even healthy, it looks a little sickly to my eye" and I am wondering if it was totally cleaned of virus or certain stocks have become reinfected?
Reply #4 of 11 posted 20 JAN 17 by Kim Rupert
When Jackson and Perkins bought Armstrong Roses, it was simply to obtain their outstanding patents. The Armstrong stock was burned in the fields due to the extensive virus. Double Delight, among others, was still under patent and Armstrong was the patent holder. I grew Purple Tiger as a new introduction, virus indexed, budded on virus indexed Dr. Huey, and it demanded the best of everything. It would not grow in the open ground, but in a large pot, in the best potting soil and regular, fairly heavy feedings, it produced reluctant inches of growth and a number of beautifully colored flowers. Could it have been re infected over the years? Certainly. The cleanliness of the stock can only be guaranteed when the tests are conducted. Once it leaves the hands of the testers, it's anyone's guess how it's propagated. It really doesn't matter whether its parents are vigorous, healthy plants. Seedlings can inherit incompatible combinations of genes even from the best of parents. You can select the best of parents and frequently raise some very "unfortunate" offspring from them. Add selecting for the "pretty face", the flower, instead of the health and vigor of the plant and you find all sorts of "should have been culled" plants like Purple Tiger. Had it not been the first commercial, striped, mauve, full sized modern rose, it would never have seen the light of day. As for whether it was completely cleaned or not, some theorize false negatives are more common than those who have been involved in the process for decades state. From what I have been told by those who actually perform the treatments and tests, false positives are more likely to be obtained. If the rose tests clean, it should be clean with no chance of the virus re occurring unless someone does something stupid, such as bud it to unclean root stock. Unfortunately, that is something that happens far too frequently when the costs of the plants are pushed too low to pay for the care required, or when you have an introducer who simply doesn't care whether their stock is contaminated or not.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 23 JAN 17 by drossb1986
Your comment about Tigress is interesting. I've looked for it, but I haven't been able to find it. I thought that it may be a better plant, or at least one that's a bit larger and more vigorous. But, bless this little plants is the definition of struggle bus. I've actually avoided purchasing it's parent Intrigue because I've read it blackspots like crazy too. I like mauve/lavender/purple roses, but good lord they are fussy!
Reply #6 of 11 posted 23 JAN 17 by Kim Rupert
Tigress is a stronger, larger plant with larger flowers. I didn't find it tremendously healthier, but it did grow more and produce more flowers. Intrigue grows better than Purple Tiger, and I grew that in 1984 (and later) when it was introduced. When it's pretty, it's very pretty. The operative word is "WHEN". I guess I've been blessed. I, too, love mauve roses and for the most part, most weren't severe issues where I have been able to grow them. Out of curiosity, have you grown Buck's Blue Skies? (Bucblu) It was horrific here, in every conceivable way. Perhaps your conditions are closer to those under which it was selected? It definitely hated the mid California desert. Blue Skies may be worth your looking into. It isn't striped, though.
Reply #7 of 11 posted 24 JAN 17 by Daniel Alm
*Sigh* So it IS the plant and not my fault. I had a budded Purple Tiger years ago that grew perfectly well in SoCal, but I left it there after moving. I recently got one own root two or three years ago because it wasn't sold grafted at the time. The little scrublet has barely grown a centimeter since then but does bloom every now and then. This variety is barely more vigorous than Grey Pearl, but sorely lacking in intrigue. It's showing up on the shelves again budded as Weeks' standards, I'm tempted to try it as little potted lollipops, but I doubt the retarded growth from the tree grafting will help. Any idea if PT performs better on a particular rootstock? I wonder if Purple Splash is any better, but the petal count seems drastically lower.
Reply #8 of 11 posted 24 JAN 17 by Kim Rupert
Nope, not your fault at all, other than hoping an own root plant would suffice. But, that's how we learn, isn't it? Why not learn to bud? It is NOT difficult and it IS fun! You can very easily coax a few buds from your own root disaster without removing any of the growth and place them under the bark of the stock of your choice, resulting in some almost decent plants for your garden. Of course there are the patent issues, but for those no longer under patent, it isn't a problem. If Purple Tiger was ever patented, that should have expired some five years ago, so I would explore that option if the rose is something you just HAVE to grow. Soaring Spirits does have fewer petals and it's also a climber, not a smaller floribunda, so other than similar flower coloring, there it is no real substitution for PT. As for what stocks Purple Tiger may do better on, it's more a question of which stocks are better suited for your soil/water/climate. I have friends in several places in Texas and they all report decent results using Dr. Huey, with some good reports using Ralph Moore's Pink Clouds (the EASIEST one to bud to nearly year round) with some reports of very good results using good old stand-bys like Spray Cecile Brunner. Chip Budding is the easiest method to use for the home gardener and requires very little patience, skill or practice, but practice does improve the results tremendously and it IS fun. I have a blog post about it here. And you can find others on line, including some You Tube videos. Plus, if you'd like to send me your email, I can put you in touch with a friend down there who is into budding BIG TIME and does it very well. She's teased about being the "Rose Queen of Kerrville". Nice lady and a real fun person to know. Please let me know if you'd be interested. Thanks! Kim
Reply #9 of 11 posted 19 FEB 18 by Give me caffeine
Just saw this, and read the blog post you linked to. Good stuff. I may have to try this.

Edit. Oh. Found the post about wrapping long cuttings. Now that I am going to have to try.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 19 FEB 18 by Kim Rupert
Good! I'm glad you enjoyed them. Depending upon where you are, now could be a good time to try the wraps. I removed my first batch earlier this week and they worked quite well. The first is Anne Belovich, a Wichurana based large flowered climber I bred. The second is a Banksiae lutescens seedling I raised and the final ones are a complex cross I bred which makes quite sturdy, smooth wood.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 19 FEB 18 by Give me caffeine
It's late summer here, but it's the sub-tropics and autumn is one of the best planting seasons anyway. Cuttings would probably still do ok now.
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