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'Stella Elisabeth' rose Reviews & Comments
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Comment under Miniature Roses from Jenny H. :
I would like to purchase a plant or cutting of the miniature Stella Elizabeth. I live in Australia but would consider importing a cutting. Can anybody help? It seems a shame to lose this plant altogether (as there are no listed sellers or in Australia or the US that I can find), especially as it has a fragrance.
Dear Jenny,
I know that David Clark (sorry, don't know his address) and Jane Zammit who had the nursery Roses Etcetera at Canowindra, NSW, once both had 'Stella Elisabeth'. The Heritage Rose Society in NSW will be able to give you their addresses. Ring Glennis Clark 02 9874 3118 or Kathie Mills in Orange 02 6362 1354 for starters.
Patricia
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The Rose Paradise had it listed in 2006 (see: http://www.theroseparadise.com.au/RoseParadise/roseparadise/Images/RoseParadiseMailOrderWinter2006.pdf)
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#2 of 14 posted
28 AUG 11 by
Jenny H
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Patricia
Thank you so much for your help in trying to track down Stella Elizabeth. After I loaded my question I apologise for not coming back to the site to check if there was any response but I gave up soon after. I have tried very hard to get it including interstate but most of the Rose Growers seem to have retired and miniatures are no longer fashionable. The term "bulldozed stock" is now familiar but I have recharged and now I am back on the case! I will try to make contact now with individual miniature collectors through the NSW Rose Society and the names you suggested are good starting points. I feel this is a rose worth the effort of the chase. In bud it does not look unlike a Cecile Brunner. It had a tea fragrance, dark green foliage and the bud/flower lasted easily a week in a vase. If I am able to locate a plant I am hoping to show it to some market gardeners which I think is its best chance of longevity. So thanks again and if I find it I will post a triumphant note. Cheers
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Hi Jenny, I mentioned 'Stella Elizabeth' to a friend in the National Rose Society of Australia, but he hadn't heard of it since Rumsey's closed their nursery. That was my last hope. How is your search doing?
Patricia
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#4 of 14 posted
28 MAR 13 by
Jenny H
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Hi Patricia
Despite a long search throughout Australia I have had no luck finding my favourite minature rose
I thought I would post it again. It is definitely in some Aussie gardens, but appears not to be sold commercially any more which is a pity as it had a powerful tea rose perfume and the flower remained fresh for a week in a vase. It was last sold commercially in 2010 in Perth before meeting an ignominious end by being bulldozed in by the grower as roses had lost popularity.I missed it by about three months. I hope this comment will reignite interest in this rose. If one can be located I have found a commercial flower grower who is interested in mass producing it due to its longevity and perfume, so there is hope as long as a plant or cutting can be located I include again for members interest the description and history. Thank you very much for the help you have given and if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated
. Also referenced as: Stella Elizabeth
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Pink, near white or white blend Miniature.
Registration name: Stella Elisabeth
Bred by Ralph S. Moore (United States, 1983).
Introduced in Australia by Roy H. Rumsey Pty. Ltd. in 1983 as 'Stella Elisabeth'.
Miniature.
White, pink edges. Mild fragrance. 35 petals. Small bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season.
Bushy. Small, semi-glossy, medium green foliage.
Height of 20" (50 cm).
USDA zone 6b through 9b (default).
Seedling × Seedling
Named after a grand-daughter of the Australian introducer.
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If it was sold up until 2010 by the grower in Perth, might they have sales records of who they sold it to prior to that? This might be the most successful route to finding a plant.
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Hi Patricia,
This is said to be in a garden in Epping, a neighbouring suburb to me, so I am going to try and contact the lady and see if I can visit. I will take your description and if possible take cuttings as well as photograph.
The photo sent to me does not sound like your description but the lady said that the rose was given to her by David Rumsey for their 40th wedding anniversary - she is referring to it as Stella Marie?
Will keep you up to date.
Regards,
Glennis
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I have a funny feeling that you might have found it
Stephanie Murphy wrote in a 1995 Heritage roses In Australia journal:
.......[Roy Rumsey's] son David and his much loved grand daughters Stella and Marie
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I have emailed the lady in Epping and at this stage I do not have her address or phone number. The contact was given to me by our member David Clark who as it happens lives close to the "Stella" and David Clark had been talking to David Rumsey's first wife who lives in Tasmania - she had been visiting the lady in Epping. The granddaughter Stella no longer has the rose so if it is the right one hopefully we can propagate one for her as well as one for The Rumsey Garden at Parramatta - technically not heritage but there is a connection and a story.
All very convoluted but we may get there and at this stage David Clark, friend of David Rumsey's, should get the credit for finding the rose - that is if it is the one!
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I have been reading material by, and about, Roy and Heather Rumsey for years now, and in my opinion, anything to do with them is heritage.
I am sure that American members might agree that any rose of Ralph Moore's might be of heritage value too. Even if you don't find it Glennis, you and David deserve a HRiA Sherlock Holmes award.
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#10 of 14 posted
2 JUN 18 by
Jenny H
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I am still interested in obtaining a cutting of this rose if possible. I remember it well, it used to have glossy dark green leaves and was a perfect as a bud in a vase. It lasted about 7 days and had a tea rose perfume. Fingers crossed that someone can get it going.
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Jane Zammit (dec'd) who once had Roses Etc. Nursery at Lot 1, Bangaroo Quarry Road, Canowindra, NSW, mentioned to me on July 12, 2006 that she had 'Stella Elizabeth'. She added: "....so I now have some. Am not into mini's per se, but a symbolic one or two to honour our mentors & their memory sits well with me." so I think she would have looked after it for as long as she was alive.
Later edit. I have found a couple of photos and added them.
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I have heard from David Clark who is in correspondence with the Christa who is the mother of the granddaughters Stella Elizabeth and Marie Christina with Christa's permission via David Clark I can happily add Christa's comment::
"The rose is definitely called Stella Elizabeth and not Stella Marie. Noelle must have got confused with the name as she knows both the girls. And the rose Noelle has is definitely Stella Elizabeth. The photos I sent you are also definitely that rose as I took them myself"
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I have, on the 8th June 2018, been to see the lady in Epping, Noelle, who has the Stella Elizabeth rose. I was able to photograph the rose bush and take some cuttings. It is a bit of a long shot trying to get cuttings to take at this time of the year but there was a flower on the plant so they are in a pot and labelled and we will have to see what happens. Noelle has asked me to keep in touch as she is very keen that her plant be propagated and we can take some more cuttings later in the year in need. The photos taken on 8th June have been uploaded onto HMF.
It will be wonderful if we can have the two "Granddaughter" roses planted side by side in The Rumsey Rose Garden at Parramatta and we would also like to be able to gift plants back to the Rumsey family. Jenny H I think you started this quest so we would like to keep a plant for you that is if and when we are successful with striking cuttings.
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#14 of 14 posted
4 SEP 18 by
Jenny H
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Glenn is, Pamela and all
I am humbled and would be a most grateful recipient
Best of luck!
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