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'Belle renoncule' rose Reviews & Comments
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26 APR 19 by
Cà Berta
In Catalogue d’une très-riche collection de rosiers des plus belles et … 1813 three varieties were already listed
1) Renoncule noire Planche 2 n.9 Plance 9 n.81 Planche 22 n.328 2) Renoncule bordée Planche 10 n.96 Planche 12 n. 137 Planche 19 n. 285 3) Renoncule noiràtre Planche 11 n.107
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#1 of 5 posted
27 APR 19 by
Patricia Routley
Sorry Bruna, rather than put it in my “too hard” basket, I’ll bring it to the top again in the hope that someone else may do this.
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#2 of 5 posted
28 APR 19 by
Cà Berta
Thank you Patricia. I am still hunting to give a name to the Rose found in Samos and I come across interesting information which clearly show how the renoncule shape was very much appreciated in the early '800 and many renuncole gallica roses existed. They were in the "right" place (Luxembourg) for Hardy to cross them with bengala roses in the '820" and get some hybrids (Renoncule violette and Renoncule brune) ... later forgotten probably becouse of other more fashonable shapes! The new varieties reported certainly have only an historical value but deserve to be "fitted" somewhere for the information they provide. ... eventually as "missing plant"
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#3 of 5 posted
29 APR 19 by
Patricia Routley
Bruna, I have reluctantly prised open the lid of my “too hard” basket and tackled these. (When one is tired, everything seems too hard). I have added Renoncule bordee, we already had the other two listed. I have changed the bred date for Renoncule Noiratre from before 1815 to before 1813. And changed the bred date for Renoncule Noire From 1825 to before 1813. This worries me and I wonder if there was more than one rose with that name. I asked Translate for Planche, and came up with Plate. Is that correct? We might have to delete the notation that a photo was included with the references. I hope I have used the correct publication, Jedmar thought there were two.
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#4 of 5 posted
29 APR 19 by
Cà Berta
There are certainly two Renoncule noire: a gallica dated 1813 and a hybrid gallica-bengala by Hardy dated 1824-25. This latter was violet-noire and probably can be found also as Renoncule violette (for example in The old rose informant). Thank you for fighting with me with very hard struggle!!!
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#5 of 5 posted
30 APR 19 by
Patricia Routley
OK, we now have two File 83459 Renoncule noire (gallica, unknown before 1813) and File 59835 Renoncule noire (hybrid china, Hardy 1825)
I do see Brent's listing in The Master List 2nd ed, p558 Renoncule Violette (Hardy, 1824) HCh [or Ch], Vt.
HelpMeFind also lists File 2171 Renoncule Violette (gallica, unknown Dutch origin before 1811)
Where to now? Bruna, it is only by continuing to seek that we may be able to know more on these old roses. I am only too conscious that your hard struggle may lead to more information on these little old dark purple pompoms - like this unknown one.
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20 JUN 10 by
kev
the rose shown here is i believe misnamed as it's coloured does not fit the descripition asigned to it.The true renocle is a deep violet-purple red, where as the one photographed is a pink or lilac pink blend.
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