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'Rosa X richardii' rose Reviews & Comments
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2 days ago by
 Seaside Rooftop
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I've been fascinated by the history of this rose, and trying to learn as much as I can about it.
I read Flinders Petrie's publication about the tombs at Hawara in Egypt (Hawara, Biahmu, and Arsinoe — London, 1889). I would post a link to the full text but that doesn't seem to work here.
This is the publication in which Percy Newberry mentions the finding of "a rose (rosa sancta Richards) now confined, according to Prof. Crepan [sic] to Abyssinia." (p. 48). Unfortunately, Newberry doesn't give a description of the rose beyond that.
However. In Flinders Petrie's own description, he states: "Wreaths on the heads, pectoral garlands, and staves of flowers bound together, are found in coffins of this age; the flowers are usually red roses or immortelles." (p 15).
Sure, Flinders Petrie was not a botanist. But his description of red roses is at odds with the color of r. Sancta Richardii as it is in commerce nowadays.
I'll look further into this and will update here if I find more.
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#1 of 2 posted
2 days ago by
jedmar
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Check the articles of Ivan Louette in his previous blog Botarosa. Some of them are linked on HMF under this author.
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#2 of 2 posted
2 days ago by
Seaside Rooftop
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Thank you so much jedmar! I'll read them tonight!
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6 JUN 24 by
Seaside Rooftop
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Added this rose a few months ago from Rosenschule Ruf, so I can't say much about it yet, except: Susceptible to powdery mildew.
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29 SEP 23 by
Seaside Rooftop
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The 2007 reference suggests that this rose has actually disappeared from commerce and has been replaced by a form of polliniana. Is there any consensus on this topic?
Are there any distinctive traits that would help tell the true rosa sancta richardii from a short version of polliniana?
Edit: It seems that while polliniana is described as thornless (or almost), sancta is armed with thorns. I had hoped this might be a good criteria for differentiating the two, but alas, the pictures on both HMF entries show quite a lot of thorns on both. So now I am even more confused about this topic.
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12 FEB 16 by
Give me caffeine
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I'm not much interested in Coptic monasteries, or monasteries of any persuasion for that matter, but have always loved ancient Cretan art (I tend more towards the decadent than the monastic).
Various people in Australia claim that this rose is the same rose that appears in a fresco from the palace at Knossos. Does anyone know more about this story?
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13 FEB 16 by
Patricia Routley
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I have always found the 1967-59 reference of interest. If you can't find it on the internet, I can get you a copy.
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13 FEB 16 by
Give me caffeine
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Ah. Well you could just quote the relevant bit as part of that reference text. Might be easier than arranging copies for various people. ;)
Something like "But owing to muddles over the colour and other points due to faulty reproductions and mis-statements, the later descriptions seem to have wandered considerably from the real facts..... which are that it is actually a Dainty Bess that was planted there by time travellers just to annoy the archaeologists."
Also found this: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4256886?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
The remaining pages aren't available unless logged in. I think I'll sign up for a free JSTOR account as it would be handy sometimes anyway (not just for roses).
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14 FEB 16 by
Give me caffeine
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You may be interested in this. I still haven't signed up for JSTOR, but found an open access paper online. Excuse the horrendously long url.
http://www.academia.edu/1524323/_A_Re-Examination_Of_the_Floral_Fresco_from_the_Unexplored_Mansion_at_Knossos_Annual_of_the_British_School_at_Athens_92_1-24_1997_
Anyway, the upshot of it is that the fresco being discussed dates from around the same time as the Blue Bird Fresco, give or take a decade or two. The interesting part is the inclusion of "hybrid" plants that were created by the artist, using real plants as inspiration. In other words, some plants painted in some Minoan frescoes may never have actually existed in real life at all. Some of the others are highly stylised. It's quite conceivable that this would also apply to the Blue Bird Fresco, in which case the type of rose represented could be anyone's guess.
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#4 of 4 posted
14 FEB 16 by
Give me caffeine
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Hmm, that's interesting. Long url's break HMF's CSS. There's a trick you can do with that to solve the problem. I could mention it to the admins if they're interested.
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