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'Auguste Comte' rose Reviews & Comments
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Initial post 25 JUN 14 by Puns 'n' Roses
I coincidentally found two references regarding this rose which might help clarify its identification.

The first one is in Journal des Roses, ed. january 1900, page 8:

La rose Auguste Comte dont le dessin est ci-contre, appartient à la classe des roses de thé et a été mise au commerce en novembre 1895, par la maison Soupert et Notting, du Grand-Duché du Luxembourg. Elle provient d'un croisement de Mademoiselle Marie Van Houtte x Madame Lambard (sic). L'arbuste est très vigoureux et bien ramifié; le feuillage d'un beau vert foncé, n'est jamais attaqué par le blanc ni autres maladies similaires.
La fleur est grande, portée par un pédoncule ferme, et d'une forme magnifique, dans le genre de la superbe varieté Maman Cochet. Le coloris est rose garance, les pétales extérieurs rouge carmin avec une large bande d'un coloris plus foncé; le centre rose carné ocre.
Les boutons d'une forme très allongée et pointue sont d'une beauté extraordinaire; s'ouvrant lentement mais toujours convenablement, de sorte qu'on peut les employer avec grand advantage dans la confection des bouquets.
Auguste Comte est d'une grande floribondité et franchement remontant. Par les plus grandes chaleurs, quand les autres roses ont l'air fanées et brulées, elle conserve sa fraicheur et se dresse avec fierté sur son long pédoncule.
Comme rose d'automne, c'est l'une des meilleures; pendant le temps couvert on apercoit quelquefois des fleurs d'un très beau carmin.
C'est une varieté que nous n'hésitons pas à recommander à tous les amateurs de belles roses.

(my translation - my French is not great, so no warranty)
The rose Auguste Comte, which is shown on the following page, belongs to the class of tea roses and was introduced in November 1895 by Soupert and Notting of Luxembourg. It is a cross of Mademoiselle Marie Van Houtte X Madame Lambard [that's how it's spelled in Journal des Roses]. The bush is very vigorous and well-branched; foliage dark green leaves, it's never attacked by white [mildew?] or other similar diseases.
The flower is large, sitting on a strong stem, and has a beautiful form, similar to the superb Maman Cochet [I reckon that is why HelpMeFind lists it as "Maman Cochet rouge" - however I have another source which contradicts this - see below]. The color is of pink madder, the outer petals are carmine red with a broad band of darker color; ochre flesh-pink center.
The buds are quite elongated and pointed and of extraordinary beauty; slowly opening but still properly, so they can be used with great advantage in making bouquets.
Auguste Comte is very floriferous and well-repeating [I'm not sure about this translation]. Even in the greatest heat when other roses look faded and burned, it retains its freshness and stands proudly on its long stalk.
As an autumn rose is one of the best; in overcast weather you can sometimes find blooms of a beautiful carmine.
It is a variety that we do not hesitate to recommend to all lovers of beautiful roses.

My other reference I stumbled upon at IKEA (of all places): A reproduction of a Dingee & Conard Co. catalog page featuring Cochet roses, including a (plain) red rose labelled "Red Maman Cochet (Helen Gould)".

So I would think Auguste Cochet is NOT synonymous with "Maman Cochet rouge" which translates to "Red Maman Cochet", both because the catalog page names Helen Gould as synonym and because the pictured rose does not bear any resemblance to Auguste Comte.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 6 APR 18 by HubertG
This was in the Dingee's catalogue "Guide to Rose Culture" for 1909 page 68:
"Auguste Comte" Color rose-red, outside petals carmine-red with a broad border of deeper color."

In the 1912 catalogue it was simply described as 'Rose-red" (page 56).

It wasn't listed in the 1915 catalogue.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 6 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks HubertG. I have added the 1909 reference.
For me this rose has been quite changeable in its colouring.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 6 APR 18 by HubertG
I just found this too. It's a bit more descriptive from the Lovett's rose catalogue 1899, page 12

"Auguste Comte (Tea) Large and finely formed flower, lasting in bud form a long time; outer petals rosy-carmine with border of much darker shade, flesh pink centre shading to deep yellow. A beautiful Rose, fragrant and very profuse."
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 6 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks again.
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