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'Zéphirine Drouhin' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 118-514
most recent 12 JAN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 27 SEP 19 by J.E.Leahy
I saw this rose at Peta's garden in April 2019 in full bloom and think it looks like Manou Meilland
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 27 SEP 19 by Patricia Routley
Many thanks for that possible identification Judy. At this stage ‘Manou Meilland’ bred before 1977 seems too modern (and too double), (later edit - and too short) but I will certainly keep ‘Manou Meilland’ in mind when my bush blooms this spring. When my own-root bush settles down, it may produce more petals.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 10 JAN by Patricia Routley
Judy, I suspect this rose is ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 10 JAN by Margaret Furness
Looks like the right unsubtle colour.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 11 JAN by J.E.Leahy
The rose I saw flowering at Peta Zadow's garden 2 years ago was a much large, looser bloom than Zepherine Drouhin with translucence in the petals , slight yellow/peach at the base of the petals. My Zepherine Drouhin is a solid colour deep rose carmine.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 11 JAN by Patricia Routley
Just to double check….. do you know of "Sunshine House Pink HT" which has been thought to be ‘Red Radiance’. There is a HelpMeFind file for this rose. As I recall, it was on the west side of Peta’s side steps, with the creamy ‘Mrs. Harold Brocklebank’ on the east side of the steps.

I am growing “Sunshine House Pink HT” (possibly ‘Red Radiance’) not too far from the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” (possibly Zephirine Drouhin’).
I have read the references for Zephirine Drouhin’ and the very dilated stipules (1895), large foliage (1899), base white (1993) and reddish tinge of young leaves (1996) all seem to indicate that the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” might well be ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
However, there is one puzzling reference (1896, page 6) that the “buds are long stalked”.

If anybody can offer insight on what the “Davies Sleep Out Rose” may be, I would be grateful.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 12 JAN by J.E.Leahy
I am absolutely sure Davie's Sleep Out Rose is Zepherine Drouhin - it is the same in every way to the rose I am familiar with. The buds are long and pointed and possibly in an environment where the plant gets more rain the bud stems would be longer. Here where our average rainfall is around 300mm the bud stems are shorter. In the heat of summer the flowers fade out to pale pink/white very quickly. New canes are gold to red and the new growth is distinctly red. NO PRICKLES!!
There is another rose which grows around the Kojonup to Mount Barker region of a similar colour but I am convinced it is a Hybrid Perpetual (unnamed)
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 12 JAN by Patricia Routley
Good. I am glad you are sure. I am too and have merged “ Davies Sleep Out Rose” wth ‘Zephirine Drouhin’.
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Discussion id : 128-048
most recent 6 JUN 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 JUN 21 by Lesky
I'm in US 5b/6a, and have a five-year-old plant of Zephirine Drouhin that has always consistently bloomed with the typical intense cerise color--major spring bloom with spotty rebloom through the summer. This spring I have been amazed at what has happened with my plant. It is sporting all over the place, not just with the candy pink 'Kathleen Harrop' looking sport, but with the much lighter 'Martha' looking sport, some mottled blooms, and some blooms that are darker than KH but lighter than ZD. And there are numerous sports all over the plant! I can't find any information on whether this is typical of ZD when she sends out sports, or if it is unusual for there to be so many at one time? Does anyone have an idea about that?

I'm including a couple photos-one when the blooms were budding, and one since they have opened.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 JUN 21 by Nastarana
A mottled sport of ZD sounds very interesting indeed. I live in a 5b location nd always supposed I couldn't grow ZD, though I love her dearly, and KH as well.
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Discussion id : 124-014
most recent 23 NOV 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 NOV 20 by happymaryellen
Would this rose fair in a pot as a climber? I have one location for a pot gets HOT sun in summer, and another location in soil. Also warm but a but shadier. Sounds likenit like to be moist? But then gets mildew? Any relation? And I am in northern calif by the bay zone 9
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 NOV 20 by Jay-Jay
Only when it could root through the bottom of the pot in soil.
Member Ilgiardinodeipigri did so with this rose above a crack in the asphalt or concrete... and it thrives.
Please take a look at his photos of that Zéphirine Drouhin.
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Discussion id : 115-731
most recent 2 NOV 20 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 MAR 19 by HubertG
In which region was this rose found? What is its scent like? Its colourful 'decorative' style makes me think a little of Alister Clark roses.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Peta Zadow has been collecting roses from old properties around her Kojonup town in the Western Australian inland wheatbelt area. At this stage I don’t know whether it is a bush or climber, but judging on how the other roses she brought me are leaping out of their pots, I am guessing this one will be a bush. It reminded me too of an Alister Clark type of rose. Something like ‘Cicely O’Rorke’ or ‘Madge Taylor’ sort of thing. I am afraid I do not have a very good nose HubertG.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 NOV 20 by HubertG
On the off-chance that this were in fact to be an Alister Clark rose, I wonder if 'Doris Osborne' might be a possibility. The colour is right, the buds are long and some of the photos do seem to show a "crepey" texture as mentioned in an early reference.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 NOV 20 by Patricia Routley
A good thought HubertG. I see the crepiness in a couple of photos. However the colour, to me, is more like cerise. I think “rich flame red” 1930, “highly coloured carmine rose” 1937, “very rich carmine pink” 1938 and even “ruby cerise” 1979 might be too dark a colour to match the foundling. But I do thank you for your thoughts. I need to do another petal count this season and double check that the foundling is thornless. I have added a few more photos. I will try to take another photo of the bud with a ruler in the background because to me the buds of “Davies Sleep Out Rose” are not long.
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