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'Argosy' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 82-526
most recent 18 JAN 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JAN 15 by Patricia Routley
I have a superb rose that came to me as an Alister Clark rose - 'Argosy'. But the original 'Argosy' was fuchsia pink or salmon flushed pink - and my rose is a purpling crimson with nothing salmon about it at all. I am very grateful to the man who put it on multiflora rootstock and sent it to me as it is truly beautiful. It came originally from Rustons. Photos are in the file.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 16 JAN 15 by Jane Z
Patricia, your *Argosy* looks remarkably similar in several respects to "Florence Hinds" of Rookwood - leaflet shape & colour, bloom structure, bud shape & silver tones of sepals (at bud stage) etc etc ...
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 17 JAN 15 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Jane. I feel that my rose which came as 'Argosy' has much longer stems than "Florence Hinds". And I see more red tones in "florence Hinds" than my very deep pink, purpling rose. Now, if there was a red 'Dame Edith Helen'..........
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 17 JAN 15 by Jane Z
ah, Florence's weakness, her rather short stems ... otherwise just based on the images they have many similarities it seems
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 17 JAN 15 by Eric Timewell
This rose in the photos look very much like the so-called 'Mrs RC Bell' I was sold by Mistydowns last year (see photos for Mrs RC Bell). Very double, short stem, crimson turning blue, tea scent not strong but durable.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 18 JAN 15 by Patricia Routley
The receptacle seems the same shape in both roses.
The pedicel of to so-called 'Mrs. R. C. Bell' is green, whereas "came as Argosy" is reddish.
I would say "came as Argosy" has long stems, whereas you say the so-called 'Mrs. R. C. Bell' has short stems.
I have added more photos of my rose. Would you mind having a look please.
I believe Cree and Bruce Treloar both know or grow the same rose as I grow.
It has absolutely no salmon colouring at all, so it is certainly not the original 'Argosy'. If we can't solve it, I might have to move my photos out into a file of its own.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 18 JAN 15 by Eric Timewell
Photo of a leaflet of the pseudo-Mrs RC Bell supplied. Looks exactly like Patricia's pseudo-Argosy. The pedicel is exactly two inches long, whether that counts as short or long I don't know. It has not a skerrick of red on it. The present bloom is very double and very symmetrical, just under three inches across. "Purpling crimson" is a good description.
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Discussion id : 67-817
most recent 26 OCT 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 OCT 12 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - Mistydowns
www.mistydowns.com.au
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Discussion id : 21-589
most recent 10 JUL 09 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 SEP 07 by Patricia Routley
Re Argosy. From the references below, I glean hints of Korovo and perhaps Lorraine Lee somewhere in the parentage of Argosy. David Ruston still has this rose.

1938 Australian Rose Annual
p30. Alister Clark. A Walk About “Glenara”. Korovo I prize highly, but I have hopes that in Argosy we may have an even better Rose.
p110 Editor. Roses in Australia. Argosy. H.T. (Alister Clark, 1938). – A beautiful, well-shaped Rose with good petalage and constant in blooming. The colour is a lovely fuchsia pink, after the style of Korovo. Presented to the National Rose Society of New South Wales.
Pi. “Glenara” Seedlings – advertisement. New Australian Roses, 1938. Argosy (H.T). After the style of Korovo. Well formed, of lovely colour, and well held. Presented to the N.R.S. of New South Wales.

1938. Hazlewood Bros. P/L Catalogue 1938
p33 Argosy (H.T.) (A. Clark, 1938). A really beautiful well shaped rose of good petalalge and constant in blooming. The fuchsia pink colour suggests Lorraine Lee as its pollen parent, but Argosy is much fuller and better formed.

1946 Australian and New Zealand Rose Annual
p91 Mr. S. J. Bisdee, Bagdad, Tasmania. Argosy I have frequently sung the praises of and I am continuing my song; it has been delightful.

1979 Heritage Roses in Australia journal. Vol 1, No. 3.
p4. Argosy. 1938. intro by NRS N.S.W. HT. double salmon flushed pink, long stems, free bloom. Souvenir de Gustave Prat x seedling.

1987. David Ruston “Ruston’s 1987 Rose List” 1987.
P1. Argosy HT. A. Clark. 1938. Pink blend.

1995 The Rose Breeder Australian Rose Breeder’s Association newsletter Vol 4, No. 2.
p19 Argosy. HT. 1938. Alister Clark. Souv. De Gustav [sic] Prat sdlg.

1999. Dianne Ackland “The Australian Rose Directory” 3rd Edition 1999
[Argosy not listed in main text as being available through nurseries]
p138. David Ruston’s Budwood Listing. Argosy [is listed]

1999. Peter Cox “Australian Roses”
p15 Argosy – 1938. Large flowered bush rose, salmon flowers flushed pink. No longer available.

2003. Ruston’s Roses – Rose Collection 2003-2004
p31. Argosy. Hybrid Tea. Orange pink. Clark, A. 1938.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 10 JUL 09 by Laurie Newman
"Re Argosy. From the references below, I glean hints of Korovo and perhaps Lorraine Lee somewhere in the parentage of Argosy. "

Patricia, You are drawing a very long bow here. Consider dominant and recessive genes for colour, and it's impossible to make such assertions.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 10 JUL 09 by Patricia Routley
Never assertions Laurie. Hints!
I am not really up with my colour genes, but thank you for alerting us that my thoughts on the hints in the references may not be correct.
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Discussion id : 29-431
most recent 29 JUL 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 JUL 08 by Patricia Routley
Re: Availability: Existence unknown
This rose is still available through Ruston Roses. Refer 2003 Reference.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 JUL 08 by Cass
Patricia, I'm having trouble finding roses for sale on the website. Can you help us out?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 29 JUL 08 by Patricia Routley
I've sent Anne Ruston an email and asked her to reply.
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