'Comte Bobrinsky' rose Reviews & Comments
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The Gardeners' Chronicle, June 8, 1889 p. 711-713
VEGETATION ON THE LIME SOILS OF THE MEDITERRANEAN
Henry Bennet, M.D., Torre di Grimaldi, Ventimiglia, Italy, June 1.
I tried an experiment last autumn with a bed of three year Boubrinski, a very sweet red Tea, which flowers all winter with us, and is much esteemed. One third were left alone, the second third had their roots pruned all round, and manure added in the circular trench made for that purpose. The other third were lifted bodily, root pruned, as advised by some Rosarians, and replanted in a mixture of manure and leaf mould after eight months' growth. I find the Roses left alone, without trenching or manure, by far the most vigorous; those trenched and manured, the next best; and those taken up and replanted in rich soil the worst as regards both growth and flower.
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4 DEC 16 by
 jedmar
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Thank you for these new references!
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15 MAR 15 by
Stefan
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I cannot find page 189 or the cited passage in my copy of W. Pauls "The rose garden" - could you please let me know where you found this?
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15 MAR 15 by
CybeRose
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I accidentally erased this entry.
The Rose Garden (1848) p. 189
William Paul
Group 29, the "Rose de Rosomene," furnishes a remarkable Rose in "Comte Bobrinsky:" the habit is dwarf; the flowers varying much in quality and colour: opening sometimes beautifully, and almost scarlet.
The quotation is in the Supplement to The Rose Garden. Page 7 of the Supplement is p. 189 of the book (on books.google.com)
https://books.google.com/books?id=jyAEAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA196&ots=LjNtnufy2A&dq=supplement%20%22the%20rose%20garden%22&pg=PA189#v=onepage&q&f=false
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15 MAR 15 by
Stefan
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Thank you very much for your fast reply - this is quite interesting for me because I found a comment on one of the pictures of 'Comte de Bobrinsky' posted by Jedmar which says:
"American Rose Annual Book (1926) Page(s) 173.
Mons. J. Dupeyrat, Vice-President of La Société Francaise des Rosiéristes:
M. Nabonnand has also to his credit several magnificent climbing Teas and Hybrid Teas. Two rather difficult to classify: ‘Bardou Job’, a velvety scarlet flower, semi-double, issued in 1887 (from ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ x ‘General Jacqueminot’, and ‘Noella Nabonnand’ (Reine Marie Henriette’ x ‘Bardou Job’), 1901, one of the best climbing roses, of a rare vigor and floriferousness, exquisite perfume, and has many traits in common with ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’. According to him, it is an error to class ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ among the Bengals. It has no Bengal characteristics, neither in the form of flower, foliage, nor the peculiar perfume which it transmitted to ‘Bardou Job’ and ‘Comte Bobrinksy’ only."
So together with your entry from Pauls "Rose Garden" it seems to me as if 'Comte de Bobrinsky' could be a descendant of 'Gloire de Rosomanes' and thus be a bourbon rose.
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16 MAR 15 by
CybeRose
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Stefan,
I read elsewhere someone who insisted that 'Gloire des Rosamanes' is a pure Bengal with no Bourbon characteristics. I'm looking for the quotation, but having some difficulty. I'll let you know when (if) I find it.
Beaton (1852) had a mixed opinion, "Cramoisie superieure, in a mass, and edged with Fabvier, would make a splendid bed, and another bed to match might be made out of Gloire de Rosamene, edged with the common old sanguinea; this would be crossing the colours, Fabvier being a scarlet round a crimson, and sanguinea a crimson round a scarlet, as we may call the Rosamene, which, when used for beds, ought to be called a China Rose, instead of a Bourbon; but it is neither the one or the other when seen in full vigour as an edge."
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Heredity/Beaton/BeatonRoses1852.html
Viviand-Morel (1907) made a strange comment. I haven't found any other mention of a nonremontant 'Gloire des Rosomenes'.
"Si nous nous en rapportons à Laffay, la variété Prince Albert, hybride remontant, aurait pour origine le croisement d'un hybride de Bengale sarmenteux, non remontant, connu sous le nom de Gloire des Rosomanes, par un Rosier des quatre-saisons. Le caractère remontant de cette variété n'a été acquis qu'à la troisième ou quatrième génération et à la suite de croisements nouveaux."
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La taille du rosier, sa culture, ses belles variétés (1864) p. 195
By Eugène Forney
Comte-bobrinsky. Fl. moyenne pleine, à pétales soulevés et en pointe, carmin foncé vif velouté, rose remarquable et d'une nuance particulière, très-florifère et constamment fleurie; elle fait plus d'effet franc de pied. Marest, de Paris, 1849. Convient surtout pour corbeilles faites d’une seule variété.
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The Garden (July 9, 1904) p. 31
Rose Comte Bobrinsky.
Mr. Field, Ashwellthorpe Gardens, near Norwich, sends flowers of this old-fashioned but beautiful Rose with the following note: "One but seldom meets with it now in gardens, and nurserymen do not catalogue it. I find it mentioned but once in 'Rivers's Rose Amateurs' Guide,' published in 1866, and there it is classed among the decorative climbing Roses. In shape the flower is not quite equal to some of our best Roses, but the colour is exquisite. With me it does best on its own roots, is perfectly hardy, and blooms from June until the end of August. All who love Roses should have at least one plant of the fine old garden variety Comte Bobrinsky."
[A dark crimson fragrant Rose. Not a sort to lose sight of.—Ed.]
I checked the 'Rose Amateur's Guide'. In fact, Rivers refered to "decorated" climbing roses, not "decorative". He and his friend Jackman the gardener had budded various HPs onto canes of Sempervirens varieties to break the monotony of the pale roses. "As I approached the bridge, I felt full of interest about my buds. What a glorious sight met my eye! Amid the masses of flowers of the pale climbing roses, shone forth large clusters of the Géant, General Jacqueminot, Triomphe des Beaux Arts, Prince Noir, Comte Bobrinsky, Louise Peyronny, Colonel de Rougemont, Jules Margottin, and others; the bridge was a fairy avenue, so charming was the effect."
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