The Rose Garden (1848) p. 189 William Paul Group 29, the "Rose de Rosomene," furnishes a remarkable Rose in "Comte Bobrinsky:" the habit is dwarf; the flowers varying much in quality and colour: opening sometimes beautifully, and almost scarlet.
The quotation is in the Supplement to The Rose Garden. Page 7 of the Supplement is p. 189 of the book (on books.google.com)
Thank you very much for your fast reply - this is quite interesting for me because I found a comment on one of the pictures of 'Comte de Bobrinsky' posted by Jedmar which says: "American Rose Annual Book (1926) Page(s) 173.
Mons. J. Dupeyrat, Vice-President of La Société Francaise des Rosiéristes: M. Nabonnand has also to his credit several magnificent climbing Teas and Hybrid Teas. Two rather difficult to classify: ‘Bardou Job’, a velvety scarlet flower, semi-double, issued in 1887 (from ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ x ‘General Jacqueminot’, and ‘Noella Nabonnand’ (Reine Marie Henriette’ x ‘Bardou Job’), 1901, one of the best climbing roses, of a rare vigor and floriferousness, exquisite perfume, and has many traits in common with ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’. According to him, it is an error to class ‘Gloire des Rosomanes’ among the Bengals. It has no Bengal characteristics, neither in the form of flower, foliage, nor the peculiar perfume which it transmitted to ‘Bardou Job’ and ‘Comte Bobrinksy’ only."
So together with your entry from Pauls "Rose Garden" it seems to me as if 'Comte de Bobrinsky' could be a descendant of 'Gloire de Rosomanes' and thus be a bourbon rose.
Stefan, I read elsewhere someone who insisted that 'Gloire des Rosamanes' is a pure Bengal with no Bourbon characteristics. I'm looking for the quotation, but having some difficulty. I'll let you know when (if) I find it.
Beaton (1852) had a mixed opinion, "Cramoisie superieure, in a mass, and edged with Fabvier, would make a splendid bed, and another bed to match might be made out of Gloire de Rosamene, edged with the common old sanguinea; this would be crossing the colours, Fabvier being a scarlet round a crimson, and sanguinea a crimson round a scarlet, as we may call the Rosamene, which, when used for beds, ought to be called a China Rose, instead of a Bourbon; but it is neither the one or the other when seen in full vigour as an edge." http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Heredity/Beaton/BeatonRoses1852.html
Viviand-Morel (1907) made a strange comment. I haven't found any other mention of a nonremontant 'Gloire des Rosomenes'. "Si nous nous en rapportons à Laffay, la variété Prince Albert, hybride remontant, aurait pour origine le croisement d'un hybride de Bengale sarmenteux, non remontant, connu sous le nom de Gloire des Rosomanes, par un Rosier des quatre-saisons. Le caractère remontant de cette variété n'a été acquis qu'à la troisième ou quatrième génération et à la suite de croisements nouveaux."
