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'Fritz Nobis' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 124-443
most recent 20 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 DEC by mballen
It is odd that HelpMeFind calls Fritz Nobis only mildly scented. Graham Stuart Thomas counts Fritz Nobis as a shrubby offspring of Rosa rubiginosa (Sweet Briar) that is "of superlative beauty for general use" (Shrub Roses of Today, p. 50) and says its fragrance reminds him of cloves." (p. 208) Thomas's remarks on the clove-like scent of Fritz Nobis are repeated in HelpMeFind's own entry on Fragrance, incidentally.

In his entry on Fritz Nobis in the same book Thomas says Fritz Nobis's "beautifully shaped semi-double flowers, opening from 'Ophelia'-like buds," derive from its parent 'Joanna Hill.' They are a "clear pink in two tones, and reveal a few yellow stamens, and are deliciously scented of cloves." He goes on to say that its "strong zigzag stems have a splendid lot of broad, dark green leaves" and calls it "An exceptionally fine shrub up to some 6 feet high and wide and of wonderful beauty at midsummer," with "round dull-reddish heps" in winter (p. 176).

On the whole, that is very high praise. I wonder if clones can lose fragrance over time, or are just not fragrant in certain conditions.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 DEC by jedmar
HMF follows in its descriptions statements in the References, as well as information by members. In the case of 'Fritz Nobis' its fragrance is described as anywhere from none (Rose Annual 1982) to very fragrant (Modern Roses). Wilhelm Kordes himself in 1953 specified it as moderate. It seems FN smells differently depending on location and time. We have therefore modified the fragrance to "mild to strong". Thank you for your input!
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Discussion id : 113-929
most recent 11 NOV 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 6 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
Does this rose sucker on its own roots?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 6 NOV 18 by Palustris
Mine hasn't after a couple of decades in loose sandy soil.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 6 NOV 18 by Patricia Routley
Nor mine from 2002.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 6 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
Thank you.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 10 NOV 18 by Patricia Routley
Sorry Margaret, the day after replying that mine did not sucker, when hand-watering my 2010-planted own-root bush, there was this new cane emanating one foot from the main trunk. (Roses have an incredible capacity to turn us into blithering idiots.)
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 11 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
Don't I know it!
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Discussion id : 74-671
most recent 30 MAR 14 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 OCT 13 by Jukka K
Given the praise this rose has got on many different forums, I find it surpising that it does not have any descendants listed. FN is said to set hips so infertility should not be a problem. Any experience?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 20 OCT 13 by Marnix
A few years ago I did have a lot of seedlings Fritz Nobis x OP. I think the succesfully germinated seedlings came from Fritz Nobis x Rosa glauca, becouse off the blue glue on the leaves and they where growing together, but I am not sure and still doubt. They did not survive the hard winters here outside, except one. But that one did not flower all that years so I have to wait longer. After that first succes of OP I tried it again, but the seeds never germinated in the following years.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 30 MAR 14 by Michael Garhart
Its sibling, Joseph Rothmund, has through the Buck roses. I think Buck saw something that Kordes did not. Kordes seemed to use the orange-red types from the Eglantine hybrids more. Probably because orange was rare back then, and pink was not.
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