HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
DescriptionPhotosLineageAwardsReferencesMember RatingsMember CommentsMember JournalsCuttingsGardensBuy From 
'Garden Party' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 116-343
most recent 23 APR 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 23 APR 19 by Nastarana
High Country Roses rates GP as hardy to zone 5. A number of people seem to be growing it in zones colder than 7, see the comment by Wendy C. for example and the response from the Boyds.

Maybe the zone recommendation could be changed?
Discussion id : 114-470
most recent 17 DEC 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
This HT is a SPECTACULAR replacement for anyone who has as miserable of time with Peace. This one has it all, which begs to ask, why it's not more popular than It's father (Peace).

Moderate fragrance is exquisite and very floral, like an expensive lady's perfume, notes of freesia and jasmine.

Enormous 6 1/2" flowers with oversized petals stand out amongst the other HT's. JVery heat and humidity tolerant, and quickly repeat blooms. Colors change slightly on warm and cool seasons, showing more pink with temperature fluctuations. Very resistant to Black Spot, resistant to mildew. Stiff very long necks make great long lasting flowers for the vase. Petals are thick and don't ball or collapse in rain.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Kim Rupert
Location, location, location... Wini Edmunds, wife of Fred Edmunds of Edmunds Roses, used to write the catalog descriptions. I waited eagerly for that catalog each year because her descriptions were hysterical! She HATED mauve roses and every description drove that home heavily. But, for this rose..."Poor Garden Party. Fred was judging it at a rose show and a garden writer heard him call it Garden Pity..." or words to that effect. So, no matter how well it's grown, nor how well it's suited to where it's grown, it will always be "Garden Pity" to me.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Kim, that sounds like some wonderful memories, and I would love to have seen those catalogues. I can only imagine how they would've sounded ever-so biased. I feel the same about the green rose, and don't understand how that one gets show coverage..but who am I to judge orher's tastes I suppose. :)
I personally know what you mean regarding personal experience on certain roses and personal 'nicknames' given for them. Coincidentally, I have 'coined' "Peace" as "Piece of".. If you know what I mean.. It seems the nature of our favorite bird here is completely subjective to location across the board. I could go on about how people rave so, about Austin's -including the website itself, for example. I guess that's what makes this site so fun. But rest-assured, when you read one of my reviews, you can know that every last one of them have been long-term tested and have survived zero spray or chemical, and I have no issue with shovel-pruning any one of them who can't hack weekly rainfall year-round, constant humidity above 70%, plentiful Nematodes and fungi.
Have you tried GP own root in your area before? If not, I certainly highly recommend it if you appreciate larger HT's and have the appreciation for a good sniff. :) Also would love to hear more about those Mauve reviews :D
Reply #3 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Kim Rupert
Thanks. You should search EBay or Amazon to find the older catalogs as they really were hoots! (Blue Nile - The Nile isn't blue and neither is this rose!) No, I grew Garden Party and a slew of others in my old Newhall garden years ago. I am now doing my best to only grow what I wish to breed with in my more coastal, Central California smaller garden, and that requires regular culling and dumping many plants. Thanks for the suggestion. I won't get started on the "English Roses". Suffice it to say there are NONE here.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Agreed! You've got a great idea about eBay. I just wish I had more time to scour those places, but as it is, I have put off these reviews for over a year because of my dislike for technology and my love of the outdoors lol
Maybe someday a great rose site might make a special area where old catalog pages and advertisements for them can be posted. That would be great fun to read!
Since you're in a warm zone, own root should often do well for you then? I've been studying several I have of both, and this one like Mr. L behaves like a completely different plant on it's own roots. Most notably I've seen fragrance and general disease health improve, making no-spray gardening possible for me now. I tossed out plenty as well because of @#! rootstock. Fortunately people are waking up about keeping those fussy ones and putting down the sprayer.
Thank you for your wonderful shares and input! :)
Reply #5 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Kim Rupert
The only absolute is there is no absolute. What grows well in one place own root is often garbage own root elsewhere. Many won't grow worth a grain of salt own root while others are so good own root, budding them is a waste of resources. I prefer own root, but grow several which are either better or only possible budded and I will bud things to get them going so they can be spread around. But, I won't avoid something because it requires budding. I probably won't breed with it because I prefer not raising seedlings which won't grow well own root. I don't spray, either. Period. I don't care to be exposed to the chemicals and I won't expose my four Toy Fox Terrors to them, either. My roses invade their "Queendom", as they are all retired show dog/brood bitches.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Amen! I feel that with the fact that our furry family members and garden creatures are as important as our own health. I'm so very pleased to hear you're as adamant as me to not use chemicals. I also have felt the very same in regard to budding used for weak genetics is a waste and a quick buck without regard to it's future grower. Maybe someday.. Own root will be the standard for them, inability to grow on own roots will be a disclaimer required, and they get disqualified for registration if they aren't able to walk at all on their own feet.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Kim Rupert
No one will care about not being able to register a rose. It's only exhibitors who really care about it now. As long as people buy budded roses, they will sell. There are huge areas of the country and much of Europe where own root roses aren't suitable, whether it's due to soil and water types and the root systems' abilities to handle them, or simply the fact the growing season is so short, the plants require that extra vigor to perform. There will always be budded roses, until none sell anywhere.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
This is very true. What my thoughts were, was aimed not at using budwood for the purpose of climate/region or pushing limits, but speaking regarding the ones which won't do well because of their poor root systems or weak genetics to handle even hospitable environments. I'm concurring with your mention of that. For instance, I grow/hybridize Brugmansia, and I simply cannot graft a hardy Solanaceae rootstock on it to make it grow in Canada (for example), so every winter, all growers which don't live in hospitable zones take them into winter dormancy. One of the criteria for Brugmansia RHS registration is to have the ability to root well and grow healthy on it's own.
I'm completely "for" using hardy rootstock for pushing geographical boundaries, but when that is the purpose. Not as a permanent crutch, if you see what I am saying. I believe we both agree on that. :)
Reply #9 of 9 posted 17 DEC 18 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Quick note about Blue Nile. I feel that way when I look at Wild Blue Yonder, though mine is way out in the jungle, so it truly IS. WBY is a shade of Magenta leaning toward Welch's Grape Purple. Great rose, but nowhere near blue.
Discussion id : 73-111
most recent 18 JUL 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 JUL 13 by goncmg
I appreciate them all, I cut slack too much sometimes and I admit this one is a GOOD rose. But 50+ years later it still seems to get some accolades that confound me? It is a GOOD rose. But it looks a lot like Peace but isn't as GREAT or MEMORABLE as Peace? It actually looks almost JUST like Pristine. Yet although Pristine will not bloom as much, the blooms will last far longer? Not far off Cherry-Vanilla but CV has more attractive foliage in my opinion and when the color on CV blushes pink it blushes a much more lively color. So I just don't know! Garden Party has always left me a little cold. I want to file it with TIFFANY and under the heading "Under-appreciated NON stand-outs" except I think GP GETS too many accolades and BETTER roses LOOK like GP whereas other than Bewitched----now a moot point---really no other "good" roses really truly resemble Tiffany let alone "beat" it..................if a SOLID rose that lacks personality is what you are looking for, I would say by all means buy Garden Party. But going whiter, going more bicolor, you could have so much more FUN!!! Seriously! And go pinker and just get TIFFANY which has a great fragrance! I don't know! I respect GP but just not a huge fan. Never have been and never will be........................
Discussion id : 70-073
most recent 16 FEB 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 FEB 13 by Just John
This is one of my favorite roses for arrangements because it looks good in all stages of bloom . It was a great bloomer in the Bay Area. I hope it does as well in Cincinnati now.
© 2023