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'G. Nabonnand' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 32-039
most recent 12 days ago SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 DEC 08 by billy teabag
This rose was introduced as 'G. Nabonnand' and although in the intervening years we see the 'G.' replaced with 'Gilbert', 'Georges' or 'George' in various publications and catalogues, the correct name is simply 'G. Nabonnand'.

In the Journal des Roses, July 1892 the entry on G. Nabonnand (reproduced in R.E. Edberg's Encyclopaedia of Antique Roses Volume III pp99-100), begins:
"G. NABONNAND
Tea 1888
The variety G. Nabonnand (and not Georges Nabonnand, as is written heedlessly, and in spite of our recommendations, on the chromolithograph), was gotten as a seedling by Messieurs Ph. Nabonnand et ses fils, rose-growers in Golfe-Juan, and dedicated to Monsieur Gilbert Nabonnand pere......."

And the accompanying chromolithograph of this rose is captioned 'Rose Georges Nabonnand' with the 'eorges' crossed out, leaving 'Rose G Nabonnand'
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 2 DEC 08 by Jocelen
This is correct.


We will amend our records. Thank you Billy.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 2 DEC 08 by billy teabag
Many thanks Jocelen
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 14 days ago by Patricia Routley
Who was Ph. ?
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 14 days ago by billy teabag
Ph. was Gilbert.
Apparently he went by the name Philibert on his catalogues because he disliked the name Gilbert.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 13 days ago by Patricia Routley
Aha. Many thanks Billy.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 12 days ago by billy teabag
Apparently his son's first name was Gilbert as well but he went by the name Clément.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 12 days ago by Patricia Routley
I am not too sure that the father would have given a son a name that the father disliked. Apparently after 1964 (when Clement was born) the father assumed the name Philibert, presumably for others to distinguish between father, Gilbert [Philibert], and son Gilbert [Clement].

Can someone please check the 1897, p. 110 Rosen-Zeitung reference in which HelpMeFind is quoting that Gilbert was born in 1893. I am not sure whose typo that would have been.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 12 days ago by jedmar
Corrected. The text says 1829, not 1897.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 12 days ago by Patricia Routley
Wonderful. I (in Australia) give thanks to you Jedmar (in Switzerland).
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Discussion id : 105-452
most recent 13 days ago SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 SEP 17 by Give me caffeine
I've just given this one a thorough deadheading, after being slack about it for months. It will need a light overall trim soon, but so far hasn't been pruned at all. Despite this it is still maintaining a good form, and has grown to around 1.6 metres (5' 3") high and a bit wider in the 15 months since it was planted.

This is a delightfully easy shrub to work with. You can find a few thorns if you look for them, but I just deadheaded the entire bush while wearing rolled-up sleeves and no gloves. You can even deadhead it without secateurs if you want to, since the pedicels are easy to nip off with just your thumbnail and forefinger.

Even without deadheading it will happily continue to throw out flowers, albeit not quite so prolifically.

The same applies to its sport, 'Peace 1902', and to the unrelated but equally gorgeous 'Safrano'.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 13 days ago by billy teabag
To see these roses (G. Nabonnand and Safrano) following the same patterns - responding to seasons and conditions in very similar ways; sporting; setting hips readily; reveling in the cooler months in a mild climate and halving and doubling petal numbers with the seasons - I cannot help but wonder whether they are related, possibly quite closely.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 13 days ago by Give me caffeine
Must admit that had never occurred to me. Safrano is a lot spikier. G. Nabonnand and Peace 1902 don't seem to shatter as quickly in hot weather either.
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Discussion id : 119-132
most recent 16 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 NOV by connon
Available from - Antique Rose Emporium
https://antiqueroseemporium.com/products/g-nabonnand?_pos=2&_sid=bfd62c45e&_ss=r
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Discussion id : 98-234
most recent 29 MAR 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
Updated information:

Flowers aren't much chop over summer, but the bush itself still looks good and does it without needing to be fussed over. That, in my opinion, is of primary importance.

Autumn and winter flowers are drop dead gorgeous.

This one is a keeper.
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