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'Zigeunerknabe' rose Reviews & Comments
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Im planning of planting a Gipsy boy against an Obelisk. It has some shade but for most of the day it's in full sun. Can de blooms take direct hot sunlight or do they burn easily? My Erinnerung an Brod has partial shade and her blooms survive heat.
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Ross Roses (Australian Nursery) lists this rose in its repeat flowering old roses category. I notice in the ratings bloom frequency is Excellent- does this rose rebloom?
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Not for me. They also mistakenly list Bourbon Queen, Variegata di Bologna and Vivid as recurrent.
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Thanks so much Patricia. Yes I imagine having such a large catalogue mistakes are inevitable- just wishful thinking on my part! It looks like a stunning rose and I am really drawn to the colour. Such a pity it hasn't mush scent... still very tempted...
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I think this rose would grow in warmer climates than zone 6a.
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Yes, it is listed by a number of nurseries in Australia, so presumably would cope with at least zone 9.
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#2 of 19 posted
16 JAN 18 by
 Jay-Jay
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Whether its petals would burn and crisp in Your hot and dry Australian climate... I wonder.
I wouldn't recommend full sunlight all day long.
Maybe Cliff could shine his light on this matter, for he grew/grows it in his High desert Garden.
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'Russelliana' will grow in 9b so presumably it will be in someway similar to that. I grow 'Russelliana' very well so wanted to try 'Zigeunerknabe' but was put off by the hardiness rating as I am in (very) approximately 6b. It is interesting too that it is classed as a bourbon.
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#4 of 19 posted
16 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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I'm in 6a/6b too and it thrives! At Marnix's place it grew into a monster (almost 3m high and wide). He had to whack it down once in a while. Take a look his photo of this rose. I was impressed, when I saw it in real-life.
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I grow both 'Ziguernerknabe' and 'Russelliana' and they are both wonderful roses for me, acid soil, in the south west of Western Australia. It does not get hot enough in spring (as a rule....yet....) for the blooms to burn.
I've changed the zone to 9a. Thanks Andrew.
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And Rene/R shows a very big rose too, more how 'Russelliana' grows like for me. I slaughter 'Russelliana' as soon as it finishes flowering in early July, removing most of the canes that have bloomed and reducing it by about two thirds. By the end of the season it is back to 4m x 3m again. Does 'Zigeunerknabe' show the tendency that 'Russelliana' has for some of the flowers having randomly pale petals of even whole flowers almost white?
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#7 of 19 posted
16 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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No, but the flowers turn into purple/blue.
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Wonderful, I must have it!
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#9 of 19 posted
16 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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see: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.301037 ...It really had that colour, it looked unreal with those orange stamen.
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Amazing. I wonder what a cross with 'Erinnerung an Brod' would be like....
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#11 of 19 posted
17 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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Do not hesitate to try!
But then, they would have to flower together, which they last year did not over here, or keep some pollen of E. an B.
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Thank you for the tip. 'Erinnerung an Brod' is not going to be a very vigorous rose for me. Since I planted it last year it has grown four wiry stems, all about 1.4 metre high and trained on wires. I am growing it with 'Madame Alfred Carrier' which will make a lovely combination. I just can not wait to see it flowering.
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#13 of 19 posted
17 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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Just be a little bit patient.. E an B will get bigger in a few years. It will probably not grow into a beast, but it can cover quite some m²!
You might have to keep the Madame restrained a bit, for she might take in all the room, that was planned for E an B.
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Yes you are right, I just checked the description it is not the vigorous climber I thought it was. As long as it grows a little bigger each year is all that matters, so long as it doesn't start growing backwards like 'Nevada' and most David Austin's do.
In a bed near by is 'Variegata di Bologna' that was planted at the same time and has put on about the same amount of growth too. I am also trying to grow this rose on wires, I hope to give it as much air as possible and keep it as far away from the ground in the hope it might not get so much blackspot..
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#15 of 19 posted
17 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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It can get black-spot and in some years even quite a bit, but the plant doesn't bother.
In the years, I sprayed with the "Winschoten" solution, it almost was spotless.
PS: It doesn't grow backwards, but at some point it stops getting bigger and You can replace older canes, by cutting those and new shoots/laterals will emerge.
Over here at its widest point it measure 8m, the highest point 3m. But my specimen is restrained by a Walnut tree and by 3 other climbers: Aloha, Easlea's Golden Rambler and Mme Alfred Carrière.
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Ah, that's interesting. Last year the lower two thirds of the foliage went completely black with blackspot. But it just kept on growing and just about keeping ahead of it, 'Lady Portland' does just the same.
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#17 of 19 posted
17 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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It also gets enough energy, to flower abundantly next year. And every spring, I prune the small laterals a bit backwards, to the best bud!
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Last year it only had a couple of blooms very low down and they got splashed with mud. 'Variegata di Bologna' is in between 'Debutante' grow in amongst 'Bleu Magenta' and 'William Lobb' grown grown in amongst 'Aschermittwoch' as I have just written about in my journal. I remember seeing it at Sissinghurst twenty years ago and falling in love with it, I can't believe I've waited such a long time to actually grow it myself.
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#19 of 19 posted
17 JAN 18 by
Jay-Jay
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After all those years of lingering by the idea only, now You only have to be a bit patient! They'll reward You for that!!!
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