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"Grandmother's Hat" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 87-431
most recent 20 AUG 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 AUG 15 by Salix
Very sticky, fragrant foliage.
Discussion id : 78-033
most recent 5 MAY 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 MAY 14 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
This is one tough plant. I had a tiny plant with one basal planted in a terrible spot with too much shade. I dug it up and moved it twice, it looked like it would die for a few weeks but I continued to give it water soluble fertilizer. I checked it yesterday and it looked much healthier and even had a bloom and new growth.
Discussion id : 66-667
most recent 31 AUG 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 30 AUG 12 by Rose_Insanity
Has anyone noticed the definite resemblance between this rose and the HP "Cornet"? Is anyone else growing these two in their garden?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 31 AUG 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Rose Cornet and Mrs. R.G. Sharman-Crawford are two of the possible identifications which have been considered for the past 25+ years. I sent bud wood of Grandmother's Hat to The Netherlands last year in hopes someone over there who has access to both of these other roses would grow them all together and report how they differ or resemble each other. I hope someone can and will clear up this long-running mystery. I also included Larry Daniels, Tina Marie and Jeri Jennings' Striped Grandmother's Hat in case the solid, darker pink is a mutation and one of the lighter variations is the original form.
Discussion id : 62-583
most recent 11 MAR 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 10 MAR 12 by Tessie
Is there a way on HMF to indicate for the Grandmother's Hats in commerce which clone and/or where the plant was originally collected? Because from what I'm hearing, there may be some differences among them. All delightful plants, and the differences may be slight, but it would be nice to know which one(s) the various nurseries are selling. I might like one of each!

Reply #1 of 7 posted 10 MAR 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Melissa, I don't see how. Each source has to state what the source of their plant is. The only way I can see to do your suggestion would be for each source to include the source of their plant in their catalog or plant list description. Or, you could contact the ones you're considering and ask where they got them.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 10 MAR 12 by Tessie
Hi Kim,

Well it seems such a shame there isn't a way to centralize the information. If one is fortunate enough to have a printed catalog, and the source is stated, that is good, or as you said one can ask, but what happens if the source isn't in the catalog, and if that nursery goes out of business (as is happening all too frequently)? Then the info may be lost.

I have been asking, as a matter of fact. In one recent instance the nursery owner didn't know, had forgotten. That's a risk too as time passes, memories fade, and records aren't always accessible or even still in existence.

Also if those of us who ask keep that to ourselves and have no way to share in such a way the info can be found easily, that's not of much help to anyone else who wants to know. Right now I'm adding sources of plants in my member journal. I wish I could add it to my garden listing for each plant though.

What were your thoughts on the source adding the origin to the plant list description? You mean here at HMF?

Reply #3 of 7 posted 10 MAR 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Personally, I love the idea of adding the provenance of the plant. Sometimes, it can make a great deal of difference. For example, some years ago, there were two variations of Grey Pearl. One was the Huntington - Liggett variation which had yellow petal bases. The other was the Greenmantle variation which had no yellow at all, the petal bases were stark white. Both were Grey Pearl, without a doubt, but the petal bases were completely different and it actually caused the overall flower color to appear slightly different.

Your Minutifolia types are another where the source really makes a difference. The American type seems seed sterile from all that I've read. The Mexican type sets seed, as you've seen.

The issue would be there may be many multiple sources for the rose. To be able to archive the source of each nursery's material would require separate page for the same source, of each variety. If there are six separate sources of Grandmother's Hat, there would need to be six Grandmother's Hat pages, one for each initial source. Then, the individual nurseries would have to link Grandmother's Hat in their inventory listing to the correct Grandmother's Hat page or the information is erroneous. It's already difficult for some to link the right rose to the right page when there are multiple roses sharing the same name. That issue pops up fairly frequently. There are MANY roses which share the same names, with more appearing every day. Imagine the confusion and mistakes when there are multiple, virtually identical pages for many roses with the only difference being where that line originated.

Adding the necessary multiple pages for each initial source of each name will increase the size of the database considerably, increasing the cost of serving it and potentially increasing the errors in uploading rose lists significantly. I still think the best solution is for each nursery to list their initial sources in their catalogs or lists, as Vintage has in their printed catalog for years.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 10 MAR 12 by Tessie
Hi Kim,

Yes I can imagine creating multiple pages could get expensive. I was thinking along much simpler lines, in terms of making just an extra column for provenance notes. That would really be only like having an extra comment field, and members now can comment on a particular rose, and that comment shows up separately with member name attached. No need for separate pages. Or combine it with info in the Buy From field. Already name synonyms show up if the vendor sells the rose under a different one than the one the member searched for (reads "Sold as '__________' ". That is handled in the same way provenance could be, just attached to that vendor's listing of the rose. Another item that shows up there is "Offers a discount to HMF premium-membership members" when applicable. There are probably many different ways to do this. A programmer/web designer might have even better and more efficient ideas for doing this.

Reply #5 of 7 posted 10 MAR 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Interesting idea Melissa. We'll have to see how the creative powers behind the site think it can be handled. Thanks.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 11 MAR 12 by HMF Admin
The "creative powers" are very interested and looking into the various possibilities.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 11 MAR 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Cool! Thanks!
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