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Discussion id : 120-530
most recent 13 MAR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 MAR by jiang
The button of SIGN IN doesn't work. I can't sign in helpmefind on my computer
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 MAR by Patricia Routley
The facts that you have successfully added this comment seems to show that you are signed in and that everything is okay.
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Discussion id : 120-244
most recent 15 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 FEB by JoeyT
I love the fragrance of this rose, when the bush gets really big it fills the yard with the scent of coconut and pineapple. Wish I could find a similar fragrance with repeat bloom!
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Discussion id : 115-756
most recent 20 MAR 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 MAR 19 by CybeRose
It is highly unlikely that Thomas Hogg introduced 'Harison's Yellow' in 1824. In 1823 he was still operating his nursery in Paddington, UK.

Furthermore, I have found no evidence that Harison's rose got "out and about" until the 1830s. Hovey, who visited Harison at his greenhouse in 1835, gave 1830 as the date of origin (though not necessarily the date of introduction).
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 17 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
I presume you are talking of Thomas Hogg Snr?
The HelpMeFind page for him says “The first Thomas Hogg, an Englishman, procured land in 1822 in upper Broadway (where Twenty-third Street now is), and began business as florist and nurseryman.”
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 18 MAR 19 by CybeRose
Patricia,
Thanks. I missed that the two Toms were in business at the same time in different countries.

Hogg listed Harrisonia in his 1834 catalog, but apparently did not take plants along when he travelled to spend the winter of 1835 in London. Not even one for his dad.

On a more obscure track, Prince (1846) wrote, "Rosa Harrisonii, or Harrison's Yellow, was raised from seed by the late Geo. Harrison, Esq., of New York, from whom I received the first plant he parted with, in exchange for a Camellia Aitoni."

The earliest mention I've found of Prince having this camellia is his ad in the New England Farmer (Oct 16, 1829) that included: Aiton's large single red camellia, $15. This would place an early limit on when Prince could have made the trade.

By April 1835, Prince had "a few dozen of Harrison's new double Yellow Rose" available for sale.

Would Harison have given a free sucker of the rose to Hogg when he knew it was precious enough to get him some other valuable plant in trade? I can't guess. But Hogg's catalog of 1834 has neither Aiton's nor Harrison's camellias.
Karl
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 19 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
So, it seems the introduction date of 1825 came from the (non-existent) grand-daughter of Harison in the 1898 reference, 73 years after 1825. That is too tenuous even if he had a child out of wedlock. It seems as if we could put the introduction date back from 1825 to 1834 by Hogg, US, and 1835 by Prince in the UK ?
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 20 MAR 19 by CybeRose
Patricia,
William Prince's nursery was on Long Island, New York, USA.
I suspect that Hogg received his stock from Prince, but he did get into print first ... so far as I can find.

Harison, Hogg, Hovey, Prince, Floy, Feast and several others were united in their love for camellias, as well as for plants in general. Hogg seems to have been particularly busy feeding the New York passion for Pelargoniums, too.

I don't know how the story got started that Harison was a retired sea captain, but maybe that's what he told acquaintances. It's certainly more colorful than being a non-practicing attorney.
Karl
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
Ah gee.... I'll leave you to it Karl. Let me know if I can do anything specific for you.
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Discussion id : 104-025
most recent 4 AUG 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 AUG 17 by Sambolingo
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