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'Henri Nevard' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 48-304
most recent 20 SEP 10 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 SEP 10 by Joseph Baiocchi
I've lived with Henery Nevard now for about 4 years. It has stout, thorny canes and dark leathery foliage. It grows to about 6 ft if left unchecked, but the growth is mostly upright. It generally does not grow into places where you don't want it. Mine is quite happy at the back of the bed (currently in a 10 gallon pot) where a fence and neighboring trees provide afternoon shade.

It can take 8 weeks or more from the start of growth to the the first bloom. Because of this, its flowers are not seen until late in the spring flush. The spring flush on mature plants is usually very satisfying - though by comparision with other varieties it is not lavish. The individual flowers, however, are large, full and very fragrant. They most often appear singly atop long luxurious stems.

Later flushes do occur, but not on a regular schedule - and not with as many flowers. I have not found that pruning encourages flowers. It will flower after pruning, but at its own pace and from places on the cane where you would not expect them. It is best to simply prune to keep the plant within bounds. Feed it, and then let the plant do what it wants. It does throw flowers in mid summer, and they are just as large and luxurious as those in spring. That is one very nice thing about Henry.

Henry is under shade cloth, and handles the heat well there. Based on other comments here, the foliage may not fare as well in the open. The leathery foliage has blue-green cast and due to its thick tough texture, it is rarely frequented by leaf cutters. I've not had problems with fungus. I've never seen mildew on it and so long as some protection is provided in the spring, the plant stays clean for me. By way of example, I've sprayed 4 times this year in March and April and I've not had any spot at all on Henry - though it sits right next to a plant that has been plagued by it all season.

You have to take Henry for what he is. If your looking for a non-stop bloomer that covers itself with flowers, then DON'T get HN.

Henry forms very nice hips that are filled with large seeds. Germination ans been generally poor, but then I've only used it sparingly. It produces ample viable pollen.

If you have the room and the time to let it get established on its own schedule, it can be a very satisfying rose to grow. If you're into fragrance, you will be willing to put up with its idiosyncracies when you smell the first flower.

Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 SEP 10 by HMF Admin
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with everyone.
Discussion id : 8-218
most recent 6 MAR 08 SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 APR 05 by Kat Lee
I was wondering about the shape of this plant, also, if it blooms all season? All the photos only show close ups. Any info would be great!
Reply #1 of 10 posted 23 APR 05 by Marina's Garden. Crawfordville, FL
1. Quote from Wayside Gardens'2005 Catalog ...'Romantic, cup-shaped, quartered, and richly-colored crimson flowers are 5 to 6 inches across, fully double, and very fragrant. This vigorous shrub blooms repeatedly all summer, and is remarkably resistant to Black Spot. Zones 4-9, H 4-5', W 4'. (FYI, $12.95 through Wayside)

2. Quote from The American Rose Society Encyclopedia of Roses ...'Hybrid Perpetual. Origin Cant, Britain, 1924. Flower size 4.7 in, Scent strong and sweet. Flowering Remontant, Height 6.6 ft, Spread 5.7 ft. Hardiness zone 6.
When the plat is well grown, the flowers of 'Henry Nevard' may be as much as 5.9 in across. This is all the more surprising when you examine the petals and see how short they are. But the cupped flowers are full of petals and have a stupendous, rich scent as well. They come sometimes singly and sometimes in somewhat tight clusters of up to four, on long, stout, prickly stems. They are bright crimson at first, later losing their brightness and passing to a paler shade. 'Henry Nevard' is a demanding rose to grow well. Its dull, dark leaves are very susceptible both to mildew and blackspot ((!?!? see above)), and it tends to grow bare and lanky. It is not a natural reflowerer, but is at its best if pruned hard after its first flowering. Then the new growths will flower well in autumn, after which they can be tied down to flower all along their lengths next year.'

3. Quote from Botanica's Encyclopedia of Roses ...'OId, Hybrid Perpetual, Dark Red, Repeat-flowering.
One of the last Hybrid Perpetuals introduced to the trade, this vigorous bush is covered with large round buds that open to dark red, double blooms with 30 petals during summer. The large, cupped, highly fragrant flowers hold together well in warm weather. The bush has dark, leathery green foliage, and should be pruned lightly ((again !?!? see above). Zones 4-9. Cant, UK, 1924. Parentage unknown.'

As you might see, information is quiet contradicting and confusing. Anyway, I think this is a very interesting rose. If you going to try it, please share your experience with it. Good luck. Marina
Reply #2 of 10 posted 23 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
Very confusing! Those catalogs say that everything "likes shade" or "blooms spring to frost"! (Wayside said that about Zeph. Drouhin, but mine only blooms a few weeks, and did not like much shade...I moved it a few years ago). I've seen on this website lots of photos of a single rose, but I'm really interested in the entire thing. I'm trying to decide between Henry, Rouge Royale, or Tradescant. I want a good red, something with some blooming power!!! Any suggestions?
Reply #4 of 10 posted 23 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
We are zone 7 too! Sometimes you can find great rose deals on Ebay...I've found a few that I couldn't find anywhere else, and they were own root! I've even found other great hard to find plants. (Now, if only someone would let go of a Pure poetry floribunda... ) Please keep me updated on your reds, I already have my hole dug!
Reply #7 of 10 posted 4 AUG 06 by rosescent

Hi. Catalogues are written to sell roses. If I listened to everything the catalogues say, I would have practically every rose ever bred! ;0)

One of the best things is to contact local rose society members and to join on-line garden clubs. You will get much more down to earth info from them.

Reply #8 of 10 posted 17 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

Dear Kat, I too am trying to find out about this rose . . .  I notice the responses shown were dated 2005. May I ask . . . have you been able to make a decision on this rose, and what were your reasons ?

Many thanks, and Best Wishes,  Richard Mason  (Brighton, UK) 17th september 2006

Reply #10 of 10 posted 20 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

Hi Mr. Mason!  I thought I'd made up my mind, choosing Tradescant.  It seemed too good to be true, the roses on this bush are velvety & deep, lovely, I just had to wait to see how it shaped out to be.  The dane decided it was in the best sunny spot, laid on it, & killed it from the ground up.  I've since dug that up & potted it, but it hasn't quite recovered.  I'm still  looking for a good red, but I don't know if I really want another Austin, as mine are sprawly - gangly things.

Let me know what you choose!  Much love- K

Reply #11 of 10 posted 25 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

Dear Kat,  Thank you so much for your very kind reply. The astonishing thing is - this is the first time I've ever written to anyone (other than my family and rose breeders) about a rose; and already a flood of questions come to mind to share ideas of interest, and your own garden scene there!   But that would be a bit presumptious of me. I will indeed let you know what I decide about Henry Nevard in the course of a few moons hence (which is where Henry' fits in with my list of other roses I'm researching).

I am in the process of developing an allotment in Brighton England UK, and this is my first year of serious rose growing interest. {Most people grow vegetables on their allotment !}  I'm sure the climate makes a huge difference to the performance of a rose/bush;  I have a number of David Austin's and am very pleased with what they've done this year. In particular, and I know it's not the colour of Henry' , 'Gertrude Jekyl' is absolutely extraordinary in colour and fragrance. You can spot it a mile away, and almost fall over with its fragrance (or a least I do !).  {It has since come to my notice that Gertrude' has been voted in Britain (I believe by the public) as their favourite rose}. Mind you, I don't know if it would be spindly if grown in your area.

I'm sorry to hear of the Dane's actions - most inconsiderate !  {a fox/foxes dug up one of my newly planted roses (they could smell the Q4 chicken pellets I'd mixed with the planting mixture I'd used), and that rose is now in intensive care !!

If I glean confirmation that 'Henry is a very good bet, or learn of a good substitute, and this communication facility is still accessible, I will surely let you know.

All the very best with your sunny spot, and hope tradescant makes a full recovery in time.

Thanks again for your reply.   Love and Best Wishes,  Richard.


fancy that I come up with a good idea for Henrybecausewhe publicby the British public  have since )although it's not in the ; but so far - and without ideas of interest to share /ideas and

Reply #12 of 10 posted 25 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

My sunny spot has become a temporary home of Louise Clements!  I'm still searching for red, but orange will be okay too.  As far as Austins, I have a Pat Austin that I love, but my graham thomans & golden celebration are tall & scattered.  I have a couple more- Winchester Cathedral & English Garden, not very successful either yet. 

New Dawn & Eden are my favorites- I like Hannah Gordon & Betty Boop too.  I just purchased Borderer, hopefully we'll see how that turns out. 

I think Europe gets more rain & cooler nights than we do.  My gandmother lives in France & her garden does really well. 

I'd better go!  Happy weeding :)  K

Reply #13 of 10 posted 6 MAR 08 by Kat Lee
18 months later, I've switched sunny spots! Moved from .5 acre to 6.5, The potted Henry Nevard went to my mother, and I just purchased a new red!
The one I've picked is Cramoisi Superieur. Wish me luck :)
Reply #9 of 10 posted 17 SEP 06 by Rupert, Kim L.

The comment that catalogs are written to sell roses is correct, but location, climate, make a tremendous difference. I grew Henry Nevard back in the mid 1980s, in my first garden in Granada Hills, CA. I succumbed to the Roses of Yesterday and Today catalog description only to find it is NOT a desert rose. The foliage burned very badly in hundred-plus degree heat, as did the flowers. I never saw anything deeper than a medium red bloom due to the intensity of the heat and light. Mildew, rust and black spot were constant companions unless the heat was high and humidity low. I finally gave it away to someone who tried it for a year then shovel pruned it. I had the same experience in that garden with most of the other Hybrid Perpetuals I'd bought from them. The only one which basked in that climate was Everest, a tremendous white rose for that area. I've learned, though, that deep red is not a color which accompanies good plants in general. The garnet velvet with damask fragrance often brings with it thorny, disease prone foliage. Studying Austin roses will show much of that. It's not absolute, and it is highly climate dependent, but in general you'll find that link to be pretty solid.

 Each writer can either repeat what's been written previously (which is MOST often the case), or report his or her own experience. Unless you're reading a catalog which has been written by someone who has grown the rose for a while, you're only going to see the established rose lore regurgitated. A rule of thumb I adopted many years ago was never to buy a rose book written by anyone who hadn't grown roses, LOTS of roses, for many years. Otherwise, there is seldom any new information, and never any new knowledge  in it.  Even when buying rose books from knowledgeable authors, the new information is seldom worth the price of admission. Study Peter Beales' books. They advertise hundreds of roses covered in each volume. Looking up the same variety in each one will provide you with the same photo with the same blurb found in the other volumes.

Catalogs from large companies often follow the same path. It isn't realistic to expect anyone in the company to really know anything about the rose, other than the R&D person who made the selection to include it in the product mix. Those aren't the folks who are going to create the descriptions you're going to base your choices on. Someone in some office is charged with obtaining a description which will sell that product. Each retelling of the description lends more authenticity to the information, even though the last  people who have used it have never even seen the particular rose, much less lived with it in their gardens. Remember the misinformation about English Rose sizes offered everywhere up to about five years ago? British descriptions stated a particular rose was a "mannerly four foot shrub", which it probably was in England. That information, nor the rose, translated well to America, where many of our zones produced sprawling, ten to fifteen foot monsters. Yet, until someone tired of promoting misinformation and began paying attention to those who lived with the roses, the catalogs all stated the rose is a "mannerly four foot shrub".

Forums such as this one are your most reliable source of information. Read the "rose porn" as it will open your eyes to roses you might otherwise miss seeing. Researching them here, with people who have actually lived with them is still your most reliable information. As the old Packard automobile ads said, "Ask the man who owns one".

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