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'Irish Elegance' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 95-947
most recent 18 NOV 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 NOV 16 by CybeRose
The Rose Annual (1914) 114-118.
The Lasting Qualities of Cut Roses
MRS. H. R. DARLINGTON

William Allen Richardson, a Noisette, the only really orange Rose, keeps its colour and altogether lasts well in water, while among single Roses the popular H.T. Irish Elegance is pre-eminent in this respect, keeping fresh for several days if it is cut before the bud unfolds.
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Discussion id : 12-049
most recent 29 MAR 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 29 APR 06 by Kim Rupert


originally published, American Rose Rambler, March/April, 1997

 

As I had reported earlier in the Akron Rose Rambler, I had been searching for the 1914 Dickson single-petaled hybrid tea IRISH FIREFLAME. I had exhausted all but two sources and had in each case received Dickson’s 1905 offering, IRISH ELEGANCE. While the latter is a wonderful rose, I had several plants of it, mostly sold as the former.

IRISH FIREFLAME was the last single-petaled hybrid tea listed in Combined Rose List as being commercially available in the United States that I needed to complete the single-petaled bed in my garden. My determination grew each time the wrong rose was delivered.

Lowe’s Own-Root Roses reportedly offers the proper rose. Efforts to obtain it have not yet been successful. Gregg Lowery insisted that Vintage Gardens had the real IRISH FIREFLAME. The rose sent was, unfortunately, IRISH ELEGANCE.

Each time I found a reference to these two roses in old books, IRISH ELEGANCE was pictured with the comment that the illustration would serve for both. The distinctive difference was said to be IRISH FIREFLAME’s deeper color.

Gregg Lowery was most apologetic for the misshipment and assured me that Vintage did offer the correct variety. October 1995 provided the opportunity for Jerri Owens and I to travel north on a rose vacation. We visited beautiful gardens and met delightful people. Vintage Gardens proved to be a wonderful nursery. The layout was very pleasing, the staff very courteous, pleasant and knowledgeable, and Gregg, a wonderful host.

Gregg extended to us an invitation made by Phillip Robinson to visit the gardens of the Korbel Winery the next day. We were quite excited and quickly accepted. To have two gracious gentlemen, who are both experienced, knowledgeable gardeners and who both possess tremendous rose knowledge provide a tour of the gardens of the Korbel Winery is an experience to remember.

Phillip Robinson is the mastermind behind these beautiful gardens. We were shown glorious borders, filled with rare plants, all combined with imagination and creativity. Phillip is truly an artist with color, texture and design. The highlight for me was the rose garden. It contained mature bushes of such wonderful old hybrid teas as a four foot POLLY, a five foot bush of MRS. SAM MCGREDY....and the illusive IRISH FIREFLAME. The only bloom was well spent, but obviously only five petals. The bush was absolutely not IRISH ELEGANCE. Phillip and Gregg generously cut budwood for me.

One plant has been produced from the Korbel IRISH FIREFLAME budwood. It has now flowered and I can understand the confusion of the IRISH ELEGANCE and IRISH FIREFLAME illustrations in rose books. I can also understand how a harried nursery person could confuse the two for shipping. They are, however, completely distinct roses.

IRISH ELEGANCE grows to an open, airy, tall, wiry bush. The foliage is bronze-plum when new, turning a medium, matte green. The stems are long, usually producing three buds. The peduncle most often is sparsely covered with short, bright red prickles. the blooms are five-petaled, but the petals resemble a diamond shape, with a pointed base resulting in the petals appearing separate and distinct, like the fingers on you hand. the color is luminous orange-salmon-gold-apricot, aging to apricot-fawn. Blooms are normally about 3” in diameter.

By comparison, IRISH FIREFLAME is very much a more refined, modern hybrid tea. The wood is smoother, greener and shinier. The leaves are larger, heavier and dark glossy green, more in the mold of a Pernetiana. The internodal spaces are much longer and smoother. The blooms come mainly one to a stem with quite long, smooth, glossy peduncles. The buds are long, slender and pointed with glossy sepals, darker than its stablemate. Both are richly, brightly colored, but IRISH ELEGANCE is much lighter in color, while IRISH FIREFLAME is typical of the hybrid foetidas of the early part of the century. The flowers show rich, bright orange, strong old-gold and cinnamon veins. The petals are large and shell-shaped, reminiscent of those possessed by DAINTY BESS or VESUVIUS, not separated like those of IRISH ELEGANCE. Its blooms on a two foot tall plant are almost as large as those of IRISH ELEGANCE’s on its five foot bush. They will obviously be significantly larger as the plant develops. This would be in line with its description in Modern Roses as having 5’ flowers.

The Vintage/Korbel IRISH FIREFLAME fits the descriptions I’ve been provided by rosarians who grew and loved this rose decades ago. It’s also in keeping with those published in catalogs of the 1920s and 1930s. So, the real IRISH FIREFLAME has finally “stood up,” thanks to Phillip Robinson, the creative genius responsible for the beauty of the Korbel Winery gardens, and Gregg Lowery of Vintage Gardens. Now I have a lead on IRISH AFTERGLOW, a darker sport of IRISH FIREFLAME, apparently being grown in northern California. I’m off on the next chase!

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Reply #1 of 1 posted 29 MAR 11 by cowgirl5-563527
I am also trying to find Irish Fireflame, could you help and please tell me about Irish Afterglow, I have many Irish Elegance and take cutting regularly, One of my favorites. Thanks
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Discussion id : 49-260
most recent 31 OCT 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 OCT 10 by Calif Sue
Great report Kim! Now I will make sure to visit Korbel next bloom season.

So the color description here for Irish Elegance is actually for Irish Fireflame. It should read something more along the lines of Vintage's description: "veined salmon-flame buds open peach, then fade to salmon-buff."
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 31 OCT 10 by HMF Admin
Thanks, we are always open to more detailed, accurate, and evocative descriptions.
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Discussion id : 12-191
most recent 12 MAY 06 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 MAY 06 by Nicole Piehl

I love all of your research.  Thank you so much for sharing!


Nicole

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Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 MAY 06 by Kim Rupert
You're welcome, Nichole. I'm very pleased you enjoyed it. Thank you! Kim
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