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'John Hopper' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-899
most recent 4 NOV 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
I have 6 possible John Hoppers, with a range of study names. I've just realised that four start with a quartered centre, but two consistently have a large button eye /central pad of petals. Any thoughts about what those two might be? Both forms eventually show stamens in some flowers.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 4 NOV 18 by thebig-bear
Hi Margaret,

For what its worth, here is a link that shows the 'John Hopper' for sale in the UK from Trevor White's - don't know if you will be able to match any features in the pics up with anything you have, but I thought you might like to see them anyway to compare.

Would it be possible for you to post some pics of the 6 different John Hoppers please, or at least the 2 in question?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
Thanks Steve. The photos on that link are like the four that I'm confident are John Hopper, as far as you can tell from full-face views. One of the features of John Hopper is that the outer petals fold downwards with time, so the bloom becomes almost a cube.
It's complicated by early mixing up of John Hopper with La Reine in Australia, but the two I'm interested in are not La Reine either. (Their study names are "Mylor Primary" / "Miller House Rose" / "Sue's rose", meaning that there are three sites in SA where this rose has been collected, and "Miss Curry" in Victoria.) The photos I took yesterday show quite foliaceaous sepals, but I don't think that's a definite discriminator, having looked at the others.
Follow-up: thanks for clarifying my thoughts on these! In the photo below, the cut and bud on the left are "Mylor Primary"; the cuts and bud on the right are John Hopper. I don't think the colour difference is significant, as John Hopper is at times the brightest rose in my garden. The more prominent downfolding of the outer petals in JH and its thinner receptacle may be. The stems are a convincing difference; young stems on John Hopper are smooth +/- with prickles, but those of "Mylor Primary" are bristly (shown better in the previous photo).
Discussion id : 20-457
most recent 21 JUL 07 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 JUL 07 by Margaret Furness
Common foundling on old farms in the Adelaide Hills, South Australia.
Often sold as La Reine (from very early days) in Australia.
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