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'L'Ouche' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-615
most recent 20 OCT 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 OCT 18 by Margaret Furness
I'm not seeing yellow edges on any of the photos. Does anyone have one with yellow edges or petal base, and which grows like a China?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 19 OCT 18 by HubertG
Nope, no yellow whatsoever. I just assumed it's the wrong rose, but what a glorious rose it is. Mine rarely repeats.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 19 OCT 18 by HubertG
The Rosenzeitung says it's a good forcing rose and cut rose, which doesn't really match either.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 19 OCT 18 by jedmar
It should be yellow undertones (onglet jaune)
Reply #4 of 6 posted 20 OCT 18 by Margaret Furness
Sounds like a file should be set up for "L'Ouche - in commerce as", and all the photos transferred across.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 20 OCT 18 by HubertG
Although, if there is no other 'L'Ouche' alternative, why bother? Maybe just make a note in the description page that it might not be the real deal?
Reply #6 of 6 posted 20 OCT 18 by jedmar
Discussion id : 90-488
most recent 22 JAN 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 22 JAN 16 by scvirginia
I found the reference below to be interesting both from a word-origin point-of-view, but also because if l'ouche means 'small garden', it could imply that a rose named 'L'Ouche' is suitable for a small garden. Of course, the rose could have been named for a place name, but I like the notion of advertising the advantage of a rose's petite stature with its name...

Since the reference doesn't refer to the rose itself, I didn't think it really belonged in the references section, but thought someone else might find it of interest.


From 'Revue Horticole', 1 Septembre 1903, p.407:
L’ouche était un jardin de petite dimension, fermé de haies ou entouré de fossés, analogue au courtil. Son nom doit venir du latin ulgiæ dérivé de uliginem, bouc, fange, c'est-à-dire terre humide et fertile. Il y a en France de nombreuses localités dont les noms rappellent les terres cultivées dites ouches: Ouchy, Oches, Ouches, Loches, etc., la vallée d’Ouches, près Dijon. Ouche se disait autrefois dans la région parisienne. Argenteuil, localité de la banlieue de Paris, a conservé une rue des Ouches. Ce terme est d'un usage courant dans le Maine-et Loire, la Vendée, le Poitou. l'Aunis, le Berry. George Sand, berrichonne qui afl'ectionnait les vieilles locutions de sa province, en a fait usage dans un de ses jolis romans champêtres.
Discussion id : 57-018
most recent 16 MAY 12 SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 SEP 11 by Margaret Furness
The (or a ) rose sold in Australia as L'Ouche behaves much more like a Bourbon than a China, waving long arms. How big does it grow elsewhere?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 4 SEP 11 by Simon Voorwinde
In the photos section, one of the ones from Petals and Buds in SA is captioned "With a heavenly scent and a willingness to bloom and bloom, a top little rose." Maybe the 'little rose' reference indicates a rose of small stature in SA. Maybe there are a few forms going around here too. Mine came from MD. Newly planted yesterday...
Reply #2 of 4 posted 26 APR 12 by Margaret Furness
It's been suggested that what Ruston's had as L'Ouche was in fact Louise Odier. I can see how that could happen, alphabetically; but it may have been the source of budwood for other nurseries.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 16 MAY 12 by MelissaPej
I bought 'L'Ouche' some years ago from the (highly reputable) nursery La Campanella. The longer it lived in my garden, the less it looked to me like a China and the more like a Bourbon, specifically, 'Louise Odier'. I don't know where La Campanella got its mother plant from. It is certainly interesting, then, to find this discussion here on HMF.
'Louise Odier' seems to go around in disguise a lot. I received it twice as 'Jacques Cartier', if I remember correctly, once from a nursery and once as cuttings from a gardener who had it under that name. I would guess that his original plant came from the same nursery that my misnamed plant came from.
Additional note: Is there anyone who sells a 'L'Ouche' that is actually a China and can make a fair claim to be the original variety? I seem to remember seeing it in the Antique Rose Emporium catalog quite a few years ago now; in fact, that's where I first heard of this rose.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 MAY 12 by Simon Voorwinde
I have looked at the photos of the hips in the 'Louise Odier'' listing and mine don't look the same. Mine did not go red, as shown in some photos, but stayed yellow, and mine were less symmetrical and more pear shaped than the ones shown, tapering more slowly towards the peduncle. These may be superficial differences that will vary in time. Don has listed photos of the seeds and has stated in the past that the phenotype of the seed is strongly determined by the seed parent and so represents a good diagnostic feature. I didn't grab a photo of the hips on mine but I did collect the seeds with a view to germinating a few. Here is a photo of the seeds I collected from my "L 'Ouche". These have been stored for about 4 weeks now in a paper envelope so are quite dry. For comparison, here is a link to Don's photo of LO's seeds: . Growth of mine is very unChina-like and very Bourbon-like.. long arching whippy canes.
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