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'Madame Charles' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-243
most recent 28 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 28 SEP 18 by HubertG
The 1911 reference in 'The Australian' emphasizes Mme Charles' lack of thorns. I was wondering how this compares to bushes grown as Mme Charles. Not many photos here show much of the bush itself. I can't see any thorns on the bush in Photo Id: 143098, however the Sangerhausen specimen in Photo Id: 101062 has some distinct thorns.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 SEP 18 by Margaret Furness
My notes from the Renmark collection, based on info from some of the Tealadies, are:
“Rose sold in Australia as Mme. Charles” ? Tea-noisette : not correctly identified. Ex Sangerhausen.
Syn: “European and American Papillon” (possibly the real ‘Papillon’). Pictured as ‘Papillon’ in the Quest-Ritson encyclopaedia.
This rose is sold in Australia as ‘Mme. Charles’, and as ‘Duke of York’ [ex Beales].
In the San Jose garden, it was under three names: ‘Papillon’, ‘Duke of York’, and ‘Souvenir de Mme. Ladvocat’.

I see also from the 'Mme Charles' hmf file, that one rose sold under that name in the US is the same as the rose sold incorrectly in Australia as 'Comtesse Riza du Parc'.

In summary, it's a mess.
Discussion id : 37-016
most recent 10 JUN 09 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 JUN 09 by Cass
The rose in commerce as "Mme Charles" is highly susceptible to powdery mildew here in Sonoma County.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 JUN 09 by Unregistered Guest
The same rose is sold in Australia as Comtesse Riza du Parc, and In W. Australia it is mildew-prone (and sadly, badly mildew spoiled for part of the year) but friends on the other side of the country have told me that their plants aren't particularly troubled by mildew.
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