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'Madame de Watteville' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 128-883
most recent 5 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 22 AUG 21 by Give me caffeine
One of my cuttings (originally bagged February 12, 2021) has just put out its first flower. Not much scent at all. Pleasant enough, but fairly faint. I'm not sure if this is due to the small size of the plant (about 40 cm) but it's definitely not a strong or even moderate scent at this stage.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 20 OCT 21 by HubertG
I had the same experience. My first bloom from a cutting-grown plant had a really refined, sweet fragrance with hints of freesia but it was quite faint most of the time. It seems that the quality of the scent is there but not the quantity, at least for me with its first flower. I hope it improves too because I liked the scent.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 4 NOV by Give me caffeine
Getting some more blooms now, on more developed plants, and scent seems to be better. I still wouldn't call it strong (mild to moderate, depending how good your nose is) but it is very pleasant.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 5 NOV by HubertG
I wouldn't call the scent strong either but it is moderately strongish for Tea Rose standards. It's very nice though and it has helped convince me, besides other factors, that this foundling is in fact 'Mme. de Watteville'.
Discussion id : 132-602
most recent 29 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 APR by Margaret Furness
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Discussion id : 129-915
most recent 3 DEC 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 3 DEC 21 by Margaret Furness
Would someone who grows "Kombacy Marianne" please comment on whether they have ever seen hips on it.
I note that Mme De Watteville has three descendants, as seed parent.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 3 DEC 21 by HubertG
I've only had my cutting-grown plant for a short time and it's still in a pot but I was very curious to know whether it would set hips and so have looked carefully for stigma and stamen etc in most of its flowers. Generally they weren't formed but in one flower there were several normal-looking stigma and I pollinated them using pollen at hand. It seemed to take and swell quite quickly as if a normal hip would develop, but unfortunately recent wet weather caused it to start browning and it rotted off. In my limited experience, my speculation is that hips won't set naturally very often but it's quite possible that careful artificial fertilisation might produce some hips. I'd be curious to know others' experience too.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 DEC 21 by Patricia Routley
I don’t think I have ever seen a hip, but can’t guarantee that. I like to deadhead this plant and will tie a bit of ribbon to it to alert me to watch for anything.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 DEC 21 by Margaret Furness
Thank you.
Mme de Watteville also has a descendant listed, as pollen parent.
Discussion id : 121-380
most recent 3 OCT 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 MAY 20 by Margaret Furness
My name is on the summary as discoverer of "Kombacy Marianne", but it needs to be replaced by Guillot (fils) as the breeder of Mme de Watteville.
Reply #1 of 8 posted 6 MAY 20 by Patricia Routley
Everything looks okay with this file Margaret. Guillot is listed.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 7 MAY 20 by Margaret Furness
If you search for Mme de Watteville, it comes up with:
Tea. White, salmon-pink shading, pink edges. [Cream, pink edges.]. Strong fragrance. Large, double (17-25 petals), borne mostly solitary, cupped, flat, ruffled bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season. USDA zone 6b through 9b (default). Margaret Furness.
I don't want to take Guillot's credit!
Reply #3 of 8 posted 7 MAY 20 by Patricia Routley
Not in my screen. I’ll copy and paste what I see:

'Madame de Watteville' rose photo
Photo courtesy of HubertG
Madame de Watteville
Commercially available
• "Kombacy Marianne":

HMF Ratings:
9 favorite votes.
White, near white or white blend Tea.
Bred by Jean-Baptiste André (fils) Guillot (1827-1893) (France, 1883).
Introduced in Australia by C. F. Newman and Sons - Adelaide in 1894 as 'Madame de Watteville'.

Admin, can you help Margaret please?
Reply #4 of 8 posted 7 MAY 20 by HMF Admin
This is an error caused by a discrepancy between this plant's summary vs detail information which "should" never differ. We'll take a look to see how it happened in this case.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 7 MAY 20 by Margaret Furness
Thank you.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 30 SEP 20 by kai-eric
patricia, might you add one feature that was reported by mr. jäger in his 'rosenlexikon' of 1936 referring to it as having blooms in the tulip style. and it has, indeed! from a distance these cupped and more elongated flowers with their nearly cavernous center can look like a bunch of tulips when not fully expanded.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 30 SEP 20 by Patricia Routley
Sure. Done. It is those winged butterfly guard petals that I notice most.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 3 OCT 20 by Margaret Furness
My name is still coming up as the breeder/discoverer.
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