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'Madame de Watteville' rose Reviews & Comments
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One of my cuttings (originally bagged February 12, 2021) has just put out its first flower. Not much scent at all. Pleasant enough, but fairly faint. I'm not sure if this is due to the small size of the plant (about 40 cm) but it's definitely not a strong or even moderate scent at this stage.
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#1 of 3 posted
20 OCT 21 by
HubertG
I had the same experience. My first bloom from a cutting-grown plant had a really refined, sweet fragrance with hints of freesia but it was quite faint most of the time. It seems that the quality of the scent is there but not the quantity, at least for me with its first flower. I hope it improves too because I liked the scent.
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Getting some more blooms now, on more developed plants, and scent seems to be better. I still wouldn't call it strong (mild to moderate, depending how good your nose is) but it is very pleasant.
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#3 of 3 posted
5 NOV by
HubertG
I wouldn't call the scent strong either but it is moderately strongish for Tea Rose standards. It's very nice though and it has helped convince me, besides other factors, that this foundling is in fact 'Mme. de Watteville'.
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Would someone who grows "Kombacy Marianne" please comment on whether they have ever seen hips on it. I note that Mme De Watteville has three descendants, as seed parent.
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#1 of 3 posted
3 DEC 21 by
HubertG
I've only had my cutting-grown plant for a short time and it's still in a pot but I was very curious to know whether it would set hips and so have looked carefully for stigma and stamen etc in most of its flowers. Generally they weren't formed but in one flower there were several normal-looking stigma and I pollinated them using pollen at hand. It seemed to take and swell quite quickly as if a normal hip would develop, but unfortunately recent wet weather caused it to start browning and it rotted off. In my limited experience, my speculation is that hips won't set naturally very often but it's quite possible that careful artificial fertilisation might produce some hips. I'd be curious to know others' experience too.
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I don’t think I have ever seen a hip, but can’t guarantee that. I like to deadhead this plant and will tie a bit of ribbon to it to alert me to watch for anything.
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Thank you. Mme de Watteville also has a descendant listed, as pollen parent.
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My name is on the summary as discoverer of "Kombacy Marianne", but it needs to be replaced by Guillot (fils) as the breeder of Mme de Watteville.
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Everything looks okay with this file Margaret. Guillot is listed.
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If you search for Mme de Watteville, it comes up with: Tea. White, salmon-pink shading, pink edges. [Cream, pink edges.]. Strong fragrance. Large, double (17-25 petals), borne mostly solitary, cupped, flat, ruffled bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season. USDA zone 6b through 9b (default). Margaret Furness. I don't want to take Guillot's credit!
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Not in my screen. I’ll copy and paste what I see:
'Madame de Watteville' rose photo Photo courtesy of HubertG Name: Madame de Watteville Availability: Commercially available Synonyms: • "Kombacy Marianne": HMF Ratings: 9 favorite votes. ARS: White, near white or white blend Tea. Origin: Bred by Jean-Baptiste André (fils) Guillot (1827-1893) (France, 1883). Introduced in Australia by C. F. Newman and Sons - Adelaide in 1894 as 'Madame de Watteville'.
Admin, can you help Margaret please?
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This is an error caused by a discrepancy between this plant's summary vs detail information which "should" never differ. We'll take a look to see how it happened in this case.
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#6 of 8 posted
30 SEP 20 by
kai-eric
patricia, might you add one feature that was reported by mr. jäger in his 'rosenlexikon' of 1936 referring to it as having blooms in the tulip style. and it has, indeed! from a distance these cupped and more elongated flowers with their nearly cavernous center can look like a bunch of tulips when not fully expanded.
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Sure. Done. It is those winged butterfly guard petals that I notice most.
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My name is still coming up as the breeder/discoverer.
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