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'Madame Grégoire Staechelin' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 112-845
most recent 1 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 SEP 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Despite the hot dry summer, with the help of a little irrigating, this rose has produced three thick and healthy shoots the tallest of which is almost 5M high now. In addition as a bonus it also produced two extra flowers.
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Discussion id : 102-291
most recent 8 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 JUL 17 by Andrew from Dolton
As I said in a previous comment this rose lost all its flowers to a sharp spring frost. It is one of my earliest roses to flower, usually the last two weeks in May and the frist two in June. This year it is having a second attempt at flowering in July. The flowers that are normally a soft light pink are much stronger and darker, more like the colour of 'Zéphirine Drouhin'.
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Discussion id : 99-600
most recent 21 MAY 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
This rose was badly damaged by late spring frost.
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 20 MAY 17 by Margaret Furness
I have the opposite problem; the hips sunburn badly in my hot summers.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 20 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
On April 21st there was a -4 frost following a -3. The damage was far worse because the spring was warm and early. Many shurbs lost their new growths, all the oak trees in the valley where I live had all their shoots burnt off. 'Madame Grégoire Staechelin' and 'Pompom de Paris' were the worst roses damaged, most of their flowers destroyed. The Deutzia that 'Pompom de Paris' grows through also lost all its blooms, the two flower together and look very pretty.
In the south the frost was far more severe, down to -6, great damage has been done to all the grape vines the harvest will be down at least 60% this year.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I'm so sorry to hear .. frosts are bad. In my zone 5a, June 1 is the date that we are safe from frost, and that's when I plant my tomatoes & herbs.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
BTW, does anyone know the way to correctly pronounce "Staechelin"?
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by jedmar
It is Sht-ä-kh-elin, with
ä like air
kh like the final h Sound in "loch"
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Jedmar, I wanted to know that for years. I don't suppose you know how to pronounce 'Ghislaine de Féligonde' as well?
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by jedmar
That is a tricky one!
If you are from the North of Normandie and from Belgium, then it is "Ghee-län",
if you are from the rest of France, then it is Giss-län.
Turbat would probably have used the latter pronunciation.

Feligond is the same in both cases.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by Andrew from Dolton
That's great, thank you. I just planted a 'Ghislaine de Féligonde' to replace a 'Breathe of Life'. 'Breathe of Life' and 'Compassion' never grew very well for me. They both suffered terribly from blackspot and badly from die-back too. They must also I think prefer an alkaline soil, mine is acidic. My grandmother grew 'Compassion' in a miserably thin bed up against her house. The soil was very hungry and chalky, it was up against the side of the South Downs, a snails throwing distance from th sea. It grew so strong and prickily it was like Sleeping Beauty's castle trying to get into the house sometimes.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 21 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, Andrew, for your valuable info. on which roses prefer alkaline. HMF stated that Compassion has " Large, glossy, dark green foliage", that's exactly the type of roses I shop for my pH 7.7 clay. After much research & experience I found that dark-green means it's very good in producing acid, and glossy means there's a higher demand for magnesium, which is abundant in alkaline clay. My clay soil was tested exceeding high in magnesium, next is calcium & potassium. But phosphorus is less available here.

Calcium is essential for growth, and there's less nitrogen & calcium & potassium & magnesium at acidic pH. Someone else with acidic clay also reported Breath of Life being wimpy. Last year I grew Munstead Wood (own-root) in a pot with MG-potting soil, we had tons of acidic rain that leached out nutrients. It refused to grow, then I gave it gypsum (calcium sulfate), and it immediately threw over 3 feet, or 1 meter octopus canes.

Winter-survival is better when I topped roses with alkaline horse manure, but many roses almost died through the winter when I heaped acidic leaves on top, or we got tons of acidic rain in winter rather than snow.
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Discussion id : 77-374
most recent 24 APR 14 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 29 MAR 14 by Smtysm
The perfume is described as 'moderate'. On an established plant, would anyone say the fragrance is redolant/carries? It has been my intention to have only the most fragrant roses, but my resolve weakens when I see roses like Mme Gregoire Staechelin. It absolutely knocked me flat when I saw it at Werribee last season.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 29 MAR 14 by Margaret Furness
It's not one I think of as a scented rose. I get a smaller second flush of bloom from it in the Adelaide Hills, and some years a very small third flush. The hips burn in hot sun, which isn't decorative. If you decide to go for the effect rather than scent, Cicely Lascelles is an alternative well worth considering.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 30 MAR 14 by Smtysm
That one is also already on my list! It's the ruffles and translucency. It would also go well with the deep pink, almost salmon-coloured hibiscus that is there. But I very much wish for scent, too... will keep dreaming and scheming...
If I postpone Mme Gregoire Staechelin for now and go for scent, there's Mrs Fred Danks, if the pinks could complement rather than clashing. Lorraine Lee is at the opposite corner, so it could be ideal. But it can't be relinquished altogether. It's one of those I dismissed when all I had were books. It looked untidy and a bit coarse in photos. But in the flesh... it's shocked me to learn that photos are not to be fully relied-upon. The rose is rapture-inducing.
About Cicely Lascelles, that thrilled me at the Bulla. The light glowing through the sky-facing blooms reminded me of mutabilis in a pink moment, though of course Cicely Lascelles's blooms are so much bigger and somewhat tidier. Like Morning Glory or Honeysuckle; a little bit trumpet-shaped. If only photos could properly convey the beauty of it.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 24 APR 14 by Margaret Furness
With my nose in the bloom, it has a pleasant lemony scent, quite strong, but I wouldn't say it carries (autumn flush). Cicely Lascelles currently has no perfume my nose can detect.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 24 APR 14 by Smtysm
Thank you Margaret. That's sounds perfect for Mme Gregoire. All the best for ANZAC day.
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