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'Zi Yan Fei Wu' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 95-669
most recent 31 OCT 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 OCT 16 by jeffbee
very popular rose in China, the name means "Fluttering Purple Swallows" , Repeat flowering very well( got the nick name of "flowering machine" in china). Strong fragrance. Open in Purple-red(i don't know much english words in color, maybe crimson?) color, when it going to fade, the color turns into a very deep purple.
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Discussion id : 81-391
most recent 1 NOV 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Light pink in colour as for the last flush in fall. Sweet scent, like a China.
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Discussion id : 31-611
most recent 1 NOV 14 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 NOV 08 by Patricia Routley
I note the foundling double quotes on "Madame Eugène E. Marlitt" and do not understand why they are there. Brent Dickerson lists this under Geschwind’s roses in ‘The Old Rose Advisor’ 1st edition 1992, page 332; and in the 2nd edition [Vol 2] page 336; - but not, I note, in ‘Old Roses: The Master List’ 2nd edition, 2007. (The nearest rose to the name in that reference is a ‘Mme. Eugene Mallet’, but he lists that as a pink and yellow 1875 noisette by Nabonnand.)

I have a foundling “Balingup Lane ROR” which I once thought may be ‘Chenedole’, but am worried about the 1848 Paul reference “very spinous”. Consequently, I am looking further.

To those people who know and grow “Maggie”, could my following notes apply to that rose?

ROSE NO. 099
TODAY’S DATE Oct 26, 2007. Modified November 13, 2008.
PROVISIONAL NAME “Balingup Lane ROR”
SEEMINGLY IN WHICH GROUP ?Bourbon
ORIGINAL LOCATION SW Highway, Balingup. In between 2nd hand shop and old Bakery.
Often found around Balingup and Nannup at old properties.
Synonymous with 162 “Wilson St. Nannup ROR” in my garden.
MAIN FLOWER COLOUR Cerise? Carmine. Paler under
INFLORESCENCE in two’s? one flower and one bud. At the tips of lateral branches
BUD Unopened; smooth
BLOOM FORM petals reflexing right down over base.
Button Eye Yes.
Pointel Yes. Yellow green
BLOOM SEASON middle spring only Earlier than nearby Charles de Mills, Fantin Latour and Violacea.
But Stanwell Perpetual alongside is in its full spring flush at the same time as “Balingup Lane”.
BLOOM SIZE 7cm or 3 inches
BLOOM PETALS No. 80 +
BLOOM PEDICEL stiff. Basically smooth, but with tiny prickles that are barely visible and that rub off at the slightest touch.
BLOOM FRAGRANCE slight. But I do not have a good nose.
BLOOM STAMENS. The stamens do not appear to have anthers.
BLOOM PISTIL. None evident.
HIPS. None noted.
SEPALS On two-only dried receptacles, the sepals are retained in the up position when old.
LEAF NUMBER five
LEAF COLOUR darkish green
LEAF TEXTURE OR SURFACE Leathery, thick. Undulate – rounded elevations between veins.
LEAF FORM Distant – separate from each other. Oval to long leaves.
LEAF MARGIN Glandular only on points of teeth.
LEAF RACHIS Channelled - A trough on upper surface
LEAF PETIOLES Hispid (bristly), Only two tiny prickles found. . Glandular
LEAFLET PETIOLES Petiolulate. Attached by a 2mm short stalk
BRACTS Only one bract visible on a bud – at the abscission layer?
STIPULE Glandular. Rachis turning red in the stipule area.
PRICKLES A few tiny thorns on the bottom foot of the cane. Becoming very tiny to a rough feeling above.
ORIGINAL BUSH Form climbing with support Height 7-8 feet Width 3 feet? Grafted: Own roots – some slight suckering.
CANES New growth color Green Long and straight, curving gently over with weight. Laterals branching out at the top of the cane when space permits.
Mature cane surface grey-green.
DISEASE None
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 27 MAY 09 by Solicitr
Although your foundling has blossoms that resemble Maggie's quite a bit, I don't think it's the same, and the rest of the plant appears to be rather different.

MAIN FLOWER COLOUR Cerise? Carmine. Paler under. (Check)
INFLORESCENCE in two’s? one flower and one bud. (In threes, occasionally fours. Tend to open in unison) At the tips of lateral branches (Check)
BUD Unopened; smooth (glandular: reddish 'whiskers')
BLOOM FORM petals reflexing right down over base. (Check)
Button Eye Yes (no)
BLOOM SEASON middle spring only Earlier than nearby Charles de Mills, Fantin Latour and Violacea But Stanwell Perpetual alongside is in its full spring flush at the same time as “Balingup Lane”. (Do you mean once-blooming? Maggie is vigorously remontant)
BLOOM SIZE 7cm or 3 inches (check)
BLOOM PETALS No. 80 + (ca. 65)
BLOOM PEDICEL stiff. (Nodding) Basically smooth, but with tiny prickles that are barely visible and that rub off at the slightest touch. (Glandular whiskers like the bud)
BLOOM FRAGRANCE slight. But I do not have a good nose. (Powerful, damask + pepper)
BLOOM PISTIL. None evident.
HIPS. None noted.
SEPALS On two-only dried receptacles, the sepals are retained in the up position when old. (Sepals reflex fully and 'clamp' the pedicel)
LEAF NUMBER five (check)
LEAF COLOUR darkish green (check)
LEAF TEXTURE OR SURFACE Leathery, thick. (check) Undulate – rounded elevations between veins. (no- very flat)
LEAF FORM Distant – separate from each other. (quite close) Oval to long leaves. (oval, not long; slightly lanceolate)
LEAF MARGIN Glandular only on points of teeth. (not glandular; very pronounced serration)
LEAF RACHIS Channelled - A trough on upper surface (check)
LEAF PETIOLES Hispid (bristly), Only two tiny prickles found. . Glandular (smooth, 3-4 significant prickles)
LEAFLET PETIOLES Petiolulate. Attached by a 2mm short stalk (check)
BRACTS Only one bract visible on a bud – at the abscission layer?
STIPULE Glandular. Rachis turning red in the stipule area. (smooth; rachis red throughout in new growth, maturing to green)
PRICKLES A few tiny thorns on the bottom foot of the cane. Becoming very tiny to a rough feeling above. (fairly well-armed)
ORIGINAL BUSH Form climbing with support Height 7-8 feet Width 3 feet?
Grafted: Own roots – some slight suckering. (shrub, dense and twiggy like a China. Sprawling, wider than tall)
CANES New growth color Green Long and straight, curving gently over with weight. Laterals branching out at the top of the cane when space permits. (new growth red, canes slow-growing and many-branched)
DISEASE None (black spot)


New petioles and leaf edges are red, maturing to green. Pedicels are shorter than in your photos; Maggie's leaves don't resemble those in your photos much at all, really. Some owners report Maggie throwing up 7-8 foot canes, but mine wants to remain dense and slow-growing, like Louis Philippe or Mutabilis.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 28 MAY 09 by Patricia Routley
Dear Anonymous,
You have gone to a lot of trouble to answer my question and I am deeply grateful.
The main difference is the remontancy of 'Maggie' and so I am a whole lot closer to "Balingup Lane's" real identity by being able to cross off yet one more possibility.
God bless Helpmefind for the facility to enable me to do just this.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
The scent can be described as typical for a China Rose: Fruity (or like with hints of raspberry.
If it would have concerned an apple, people would describe it as McIntosh flavour like the McIntosh apples.
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Discussion id : 81-332
most recent 31 OCT 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 OCT 14 by Patricia Routley
Jay-Jay in 2013 suggested “Maggie” (syn “Pacific”)
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.24291.1

be merged with ‘Maggie’ (bourbon, Geschwind, 1900)
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4052.1&tab=1

I suggested in 2008 that “Pacific”
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.24291.1

be merged with ‘Mme. Eugene E. Marlitt’
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4052.1&tab=1

Neither Jay-Jay nor I have had an answer. I would like to tidy things up and merge these files within the next week if nobody has any objections.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 OCT 14 by jedmar
Yes, these can be merged. In any case, there was no Geschwind rose named "Maggie". I would propose to change the entry to "Maggie" (syn. Eugène E. Marlitt).
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 31 OCT 14 by Patricia Routley
All done. Thanks Jedmar.
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