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'Gartenträume ®' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 75-162
most recent 18 NOV 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 17 NOV 13 by NikosR
This rose has been introduced in the UK as 'ENCHANTRESS'
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 NOV 13 by HMF Admin
Thanks, do you know by whom ?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 18 NOV 13 by NikosR
I know that these nurseries, amongst others, sell it.
http://www.garden-roses.co.uk/catalog/enchantress/
https://www.styleroses.co.uk/index.php?proId=709&ENCHANTRESS

From the first link: 'Un-named until October 2011 when the winner of a competition to name this rose was picked from hundreds of entries received at the New Forest Show in July.'
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 18 NOV 13 by HMF Admin
That's very helpful; thank you for taking the time to research this.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 18 NOV 13 by NikosR
Also please look at this RHS catalog where it lists the rose and the supplier as Style Roses
http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/plantfinder2.asp?crit=Enchantress&Genus=Rosa
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Discussion id : 74-053
most recent 15 SEP 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 SEP 13 by roseexpert
'Gartenträume'
According to "Rosen Tantau catalogue 2012/2013", page 16, it is one of the best scented garden roses bred by us in recent years!
"Very fragrant" should be added to the description.
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Discussion id : 55-820
most recent 22 APR 12 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 JUL 11 by HonzaPM
It may be that Tantau used old rose ´La France´ to breed this rose. Don´t you think?
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Very unlikely :-) - Since La France to my knowledge is sterile and can not be used for hybridization. But the scent is very similar.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 21 APR 12 by HonzaPM
Niels, thank you for that information about La France and your kind comment.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 APR 12 by Margaret Furness
Perhaps La France has lost some of its fertility, if it won't reproduce for you? Helpmefind lists very large numbers of descendants.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 22 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Thank you Margaret. Danish Rosarian Valdemar Petersen claimed it was sterile - but looking at the list of descendants surely contradicts this. Not that I want to use it for hybridization myself though :-)
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 22 APR 12 by Patricia Routley
I think Mr. Petersen was reasonably correct.
I count only 11 first generation descendents from 'La France' 1867 using its seed:

Cannes la Coquette 1877
Danmark 1890
Mrs. W.J. Grant <1892
Principessa di Napoli (hybrid perpetual, Lodi/Bonfiglioli, 1897)
France et Russie 1899
Ober-Hofgärtner Franz Joost 1902
Mrs. Theodore Roosevelt 1903
Dr. Krüger's La France 1916
John Cook 1917
Silver Beauty 1956.
Morgenluft 1962

The other first generation descendents were using 'La France' pollen, or sports.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 22 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Thank you for your reply Patricia - It could indicate that La France, have very low fertility - albeit not totally sterile since he and other hybridizers gave up using it. As much as I appreciate the beauty of many classes of roses - fragrance will always be an important trait I look for in a rose. Tantau have attracted some very good roses, that are both healthy and very fragrant.
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