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'Maman Cochet, Cl.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 165-808
most recent 2 MAR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 2 MAR by odinthor
There seems to be a yet earlier 'Climbing Maman Cochet', recorded in the 1903 Die Rose, by Robert Betten, 1903, p. 159: Just the name on a list there with 'Climbing Niphetos' and 'Climbing Kaiserin Auguste [Viktoria]'.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 MAR by Patricia Routley
Thank you Brent. I’ve added the reference, but have not yet changed the discoverer.
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Discussion id : 131-829
most recent 26 FEB 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 FEB 22 by eihblin
Hello, Margaret Furness. I have tried to message Le Rose di Piedimonte about their non-functioning website, and have tried the number you listed as well as a cell phone number I found on Internet. So far, nothing; the one gave a busy signal, the other a recorded message that the telephone was either spent or not available. I'll try again,but I'm getting the impression that they don't function as a nursery anymore.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 26 FEB 22 by Margaret Furness
Thank you for trying, anyway! It was kind of you to persevere. It doesn't sound good.
It would be a pity if they have closed down, as they may have had other rarities as well as Cl Mme de Watteville.
We have lost many nurseries selling heritage roses in Australia.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 26 FEB 22 by eihblin
Well, I will try back, but ,as I said, doesn't seem promising...
But this Climbing me de Wattville? I don't remember seeing it on their site. I do have a small and weak Mme De Wattville in a pot, which I believe I got from La roseraie du desert...
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 26 FEB 22 by Margaret Furness
I couldn't get into their site at all.
On the Cl Mme de Watteville page, clicking on the Buy From tab gives their name. It may have been an error, when they added their listing.
We have a found rose here, which La Roseraie du Desert said was identical to the Mme de Watteville in the Fineschi Garden and Sangerhausen. I'm wondering if the rose in commerce is correct, because some early references to Mme de Watteville mention a yellow background and strong scent. Maybe just marketing exaggeration!
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Discussion id : 131-502
most recent 3 FEB 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 JAN 22 by eihblin
Is this rose prone to balling?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 FEB 22 by Margaret Furness
The Cochets all ball at times. But in between, they are wonderful.
I removed some roses from my garden because they balled so badly (Tipsy Imperial Concubine, Clothilde Soupert, E Veyrat Hermanos) but I kept the climbing Cochets.
Auguste Comte, which has the same parentage as Maman Cochet, doesn't ball.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 3 FEB 22 by eihblin
Margaret, thank you so much for your reply. I am very tempted by these Cochet roses, but in my circumstances want to avoid roses that are susceptible to balling in the spring. My garden is in a woodland, far from my home, and for me, it's all about the spring flush; after that, it gets too hot for me to enjoy being out at my garden and I only go to water. So I can't really appreciate roses that only start blooming properly late in the season.
I would like to add more teas,but it's going to be hard to choose ,so your comment is much appreciated.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 FEB 22 by Margaret Furness
The book 'Tea Roses - Old Roses for Warm Gardens' has a list of recommended Teas. If you don't have access to it, I can quote it. The only other ones on the list with available climbing forms are Lady Hillingdon and Comtesse de Labarthe (Duchesse de Brabant), but many of the others will make very large bushes in time.
I'm probably telling you what you already know, but some of the Tea-Noisettes, eg Crepuscule, Alister Stella Gray and Lamarque, and Elie Beavilain (Dijon Tea) are good value climbers in hot-summer areas. Also Marie Nabonnand, which is hard to classify but fits in well with Tea-Noisettes, and had good winter flowering in my garden.

Could I ask a favour of you, please? Would you try to telephone the nursery Le Rose de Piedimonte 0746 259219 ? I can't get into their website so I don't know if it is still functioning as a nursery (and I don't speak Italian). If it is, I would be very pleased if they would post photos of Cl. Mme de Watteville on helpmefind, especially close-ups of flowers and a side view of a bud, and a photo of a hip if there are any. They are the only nursery listing the climbing form. Photos of it could help to assess whether the rose sold as the bush form of Mme de Watteville is correctly identified.
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Discussion id : 129-782
most recent 24 NOV 21 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 NOV 21 by Margaret Furness
J. Horticulture in Australasia of 1910 lists another climbing sport of Maman Cochet; attributed to S. A. Lee, NSW, 1907.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 NOV 21 by Patricia Routley
Or was he a S. G. Lee as mentioned in the 1909 reference. Which begs the question, who was the first to discover ‘Maman Cochet Climbing’ - Lee or Upton?
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