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"Benny Lopez" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 90-186
most recent 16 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 7 JAN 16 by AquaEyes
I don't grow either, but I'm noticing some similarities between this rose and the rose currently being grown as 'Rembrandt' (not the original). Has anyone else made the comparisons?


Reply #1 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Patricia Routley
Excellent suggestion Christopher. I will check my pedicel and receptacle today, but I am growing ‘Rembrandt’ in a different country.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Patricia Routley
‘Rembrandt’ would work as far as the pedicel and smooth receptacle goes, but on this characteristic alone, so would ‘Paul Perras’ and another foundling of mine “Eileen Giblett’s No. 15” in the same bed.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 14 NOV by AquaEyes
Ah, but 'Plaul Perras' (aka what's being sold as 'Paul Ricault') has a different growth habit, and is once-blooming.

I guess I'll compare them myself by getting both for The Elmwood Cemetery. I didn't have that option back when I wrote that question, but now I do.


Reply #4 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
The rose being grown in the U.K. as 'Paul Ricault' has blunt smooth sepals.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Patricia Routley
I wasn't implying that "Benny Lopez" was 'Paul Perras', but rather ON THIS CHARACTERISTIC ALONE, two of my other roses were the same. So perhaps it may be a fairly common feature of some roses and perhaps one should look for another distinguishing trait or signature of "Benny Lopez".
Reply #6 of 8 posted 15 NOV by AquaEyes
Just for clarification, pics I see on here for both "Benny Lopez" and 'Rembrandt (in commerce as)' show variability with respect to having smooth vs prickly receptacles and pedicels. Maybe what's grown as 'Rembrandt' in Australia differs from that by the name in the US. Or maybe these roses just vary. But, going back, I still see some similarities between "Benny Lopez" and 'Rembrandt (in commerce as)', at least based on pictures. I'm hoping someone who grows both chimes in with their thoughts.


Reply #7 of 8 posted 15 NOV by Darrell
Though the coloring seems the same in the flower, my 'Rembrandt' is much more prickly and much taller than my "Benny Lopez"; they grow about ten feet from each other, so the comparison is easy to do. In addition, the leaflets of "Benny Lopez" are much more sharply serrate than those on 'Rembrandt'. They also have more sheen to them than those of 'Rembrandt.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 16 NOV by AquaEyes
Thanks so much for responding here! Well, I guess my little wondering from almost three years ago has been finally answered.


Discussion id : 114-027
most recent 14 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 NOV by Patricia Routley
Copying today’s comments from Photos

Initial post yesterday by HMF supporting memberjedmar
What does the hip tell us? The stalk and the elongated shape of the hip says there is Damask involved, but only in the ancestors as the hip itself is smooth. A Hybrid China or Hybrid Perpetual therefore. Has anyone a picture of a hip of 'Ardoisée de Lyon' which seems to be contender for this mystery rose?

Reply #1 of 2 posted today by HMF supporting memberPatricia Routley
Photos from Mashamcl show that
‘Ardoisée de Lyon' has a pip (or pointel), and almost entire sepals.
“Benny Lopez” has a button eye, and leafy sepals.

For members in America:
I wonder if the description page for “Benny Lopez” should be slightly altered to:
Bloom... rounded outline. Button eye seems to be freed up in later life.
Pedicel .... prickly below the smooth, long and sloping receptacle.
Sepals.....can be long and leafy sometimes and are retained in old age.
Foliage... ? Jeri says shiny, Mashamcl says more matte (than Ardoisee...)
There seems to be a red tint to the new leaf’s deeply serrated edge.
Prickles ....many, almost straight, mostly horizontal.
Bush....does not sucker

Reply #2 of 2 posted today by HMF supporting memberNastarana
My bush does not sucker, but it lives in damp, heavy soil.

Thanks Nastarana. I note that Ingrid ‘s (Oregon) photo caption says “sucker from original plant”.
More information from more members is needed.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 NOV by jedmar
Yes, sepals are quite different - so clearly not 'Ardoisée de Lyon'.
Discussion id : 112-467
most recent 24 SEP SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 JUL by eihblin
In the HMF description of this rose, I see that they say "Feed this rose well". This rather confuses me: it's a Found Rose, after all, which gives the idea that it does fine with little fuss. Am I misssing something? Can anyone throw any light on this question?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 24 SEP by AquaEyes
In general, most Hybrid Perpetuals with heavy Damask Perpetual ancestry (as opposed to those more Bourbon-like, and the later ones with more Tea in them) do need to be "fed well" in order to keep "blooming well", but will "live well" just fine without. From what I've come to learn after growing them, they bloom when "late Spring conditions" -- milder weather, and an influx of water and nutrients -- trigger new growth. A prune after flowering helps as well. In the meantime, they hang in there and survive just fine once established, even if they don't bloom.

Discussion id : 110-052
most recent 21 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 19 APR by Patricia Routley
Has anyone compared "Benny Lopez" (syn "Mystery Santa Barbara Rose") with "Old Town Novato" (syn "Jay's Hudson Perpetual")
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 APR by Nastarana
I doubt it. I think some CA gardeners grow both and would surely have noticed if the two cultivars were the same.

I have not seen tall arching growth nor does my plant sucker so far.
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