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'Tolstoi' rose Reviews & Comments
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My Tolstoi finally is in his teens and pretty big. Very enjoyable rose, stays clean no spray, cooperative with training, vigorous, blooms reasonably long, about a month at least (considering the weather, I am close to the North Sea coast, so usually cool summers). Little thorns, blooms shatter, sets hips. In the cold weather old canes turn red-ish in color.
Blooms, in size and shape, remind a bit those of Caroline Testout or Constance Spry or Paul's Lemon Pillar. Color is more similar to Constance Spry, just does not bleach in the sun like Constance. Habit is also a bit similar to Paul's Lemon, just more flexible and so far more bushy.
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In the Rosenjahrbuch 2011 on page 46 is suggested, that this rose might be bred by Rudolph Geschwind. Can this be added as a reference?
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#1 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
Grntrz5
Jay, look at Alpenfee, that page mentions says Geschwind hybridized that one, and they look similar to one another. Also look at the found rose "Arcata Pink Globe".
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#2 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
Jay-Jay
Thank you Grntrz5, for Your reply, but where can I find the page of Alpenfee? I searched under members. Why do You suggest, that I should look at the found rose "Arcata Pink Globe"? Do You believe they're the same?... Or similar, or at least both setigera Hybrids? You're acquinted with both roses? How does Tolstoi behave for You? Have some nice Easter Holidays!
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#3 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
Grntrz5
Jay, I only noticed that all three roses, "Alpenfee", "Arcata Pink Globe" and "Tolstoi" have that similar Setigera look. Also, looking at some of the photos under each one, you can see that maybe some people might have a different rose than what they think they have-unless they have much better growing conditions.
Can you paste a copy of the reference you mentioned about Mr. Geschwind being the breeder for "Tolstoi" either here, under these comments or notify HMF to put that under the reference section? I have read that Jan Bohm found older roses when he walked around the countryside, and used them in his crosses.
Tolstoi has been pretty good for me so far, it is a large band for me in a medium sized pot, and has matte blue-green leaves, I haven't seen a bloom as yet. I do worry about where to site it this spring, we have such hot weather, and I lost my R. Setigera serena this fall, even after so much watering, maybe the Hybrid Setigera roses are less water dependent.
Yes, you have a very good spring, I hope your weather warms up soon! We see is that it's very cold there in Europe. This morning we have a large rainstorm heading our way, the birds are chirping. The daffodils are in the middle of blooming, the crocus have just finished, and the hyacinths are halfway colored-so no real scent right now. Tiny red leafbuds are starting to show on the roses, and more cold weather on the way for Monday, maybe some snow!
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#4 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
Jay-Jay
I had seen the name Alpenfee before, but thought, that it was a members' name. it indeed looks familiar to Tolstoi, some photo's of the other two too, but most of them and the plants look different. I already asked if HMF could add the book and the phrase, mentioned in the initial post, as a reference. My Tolstois are still buds on rootstocks from last year; I hope they survived the frosts, for I allready had cut off the top of the rootstock just above the union.
Why do You say that we have a very good spring?... Or where You just joking... it's almost the day of april fool! As You can see on the photo's in my journal of today, the roses have red leaves and buds sprouting, despite the snow.
I hope for you, that that storm will bring You some rain.
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#7 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
jedmar
The reference from the "rudolf Geschwind" article re 'Tolstoi' and 'Stratosfera' is already there.
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#8 of 14 posted
31 MAR 13 by
Jay-Jay
Not from the Rosenjahrbuch 2011.
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#9 of 14 posted
31 MAR 13 by
jedmar
it is, there was already a separate listing of this important article from the "Rosenjahrbuch 2011"
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#10 of 14 posted
31 MAR 13 by
Jay-Jay
Where can we find that?... I can not find it at the rose Tolstoi.
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#11 of 14 posted
1 APR 13 by
jedmar
It is listed as "Rudolf Geschwind (1829-1910)".
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#12 of 14 posted
1 APR 13 by
Jay-Jay
Found, Thank You Jedmar.
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The photos of 'Tolstoi' do look rather similar to my "Arcata Pink Globe" .
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#6 of 14 posted
30 MAR 13 by
Jay-Jay
From what I can see on Arcata Pink Globe page, it does not look similar to my Tolstoi. For one Arcata seems to be rather pale pink, when Tolstoi is rather vivid, also the blooms in Arcata clusters seem to be on long necks, when in my Tolstoi they practically have no neck. Alpenfee looks similar though.
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I have heard from a gardener on the gardenweb who grows APG, and Alpenfee, and Tolstoi. She says all three are distinct from each other. So the search for the true identity of APG will have to continue.
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It is a lovely rose, very few thorns, foliage stayed clean so far without any spraying, vigorous and hardy (no winter dieback with -20C for a week). Blooms are large, form and size reminds those of Constance Spry or Caroline Testout. Strong fragrance, which drifts in the air. Canes are flexible so far (2 year old plant) and somewhat on a thin side.
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Very very nice fragrance with citrus. Beautifull flower too!
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