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"Hatchell-Brown Yellow" rose Reviews & Comments
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On fragrance... yesterday, when I picked and photographed some "Hatchell-Brown Yellow", the fragrance was strong and unmistakeably mothballs combined with a musty smell, so the combination was strongly reminiscent of that rarely used spare bedroom in the house of an elderly relative.
Today there is still a hint of the same naphthalene and musty cupboards combination in the background, but also a lighter, fresh note that might pass for green (Granny Smith) apples.
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"Hatchell-Brown Yellow" has had quite a few respectable flowers year this summer. But the plant is low and spreading and to smell I must either pick or get down there! However, in early summer I did pick blooms and to my untrained nose, I might as well have been dipping my nose in to a bowl of the stewed apple with cloves that we regularly have and I recall the smell was quite delicious. There are no blooms at all at the moment, but the bush is just starting to push out some growth for autumn. I really hope that I don't get a musty mothball mix, but will report on it if I do. It sounds interesting, but not pleasant.
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They remind me of the early HMusks. They definitely have tea/musk in them somewhere, but they also seem like they might have some Pernetiana. The photo of the stem w/ leaves reminds me strongly of the Danae derivitives, but its definitely not Danae itself.
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Thank you Michael for your valuable suggestions.
I have looked at all the first generation descendants of ‘Danae’ 1913:
‘Aurora’ 1923 is too double
‘Bloomfield Comet’ 1924 is orange pink
‘Bloomfield Culmination’ 1925 is pink blend, white center
‘Bloomfield Dainty’ 1924 is close, but not enough petals.
‘Bloomfield Discovery’ 1925 is pink blend
‘Bloomfield Fascination’ 1924 diameter is too small - only one inch
‘Bloomfield Perfection’ 1825 is cream with some pink
‘Bloomfield Success’ 1929 is a climber with some lilac shading
‘Francesca’ 1922 Close, but the bloom is too double and the bud is too short
Of the second generation
‘Bloomfield Completeness’. 1931 No much to discount it, but one ref says double and the colour was deep orange yellow
‘Nanjemoy’ 1937 is pink
‘Rose Anne’ 1938 is an orange blend climber.
I really feel that the “Hatchell-Brown Yellow” is ‘Golden Spray’ from Hugh Dickson, 1917. For once there were very good descriptions in the old catalogues for ‘Golden Spray. Every characteristic seems to match, but I have not had enough blooms to confirm the “apple scent” – and my nose is less than useless these days.
At this stage, it would appear that only Billy, myself and Mistydowns Nursery are growing this rose, and until more people contribute by commenting on this rose, I am most reluctant to suggest amalgamating “Hatchell-Brown Yellow” into the ‘Golden Spray’ file. One person’s thoughts are usually not quite enough.
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Yeah, I understood, One thing to note is to wonder what it would look like grown in a cool, humid area where petal could and color is often dfiferent. My grasp of Australia as a whole is only text book so someone else may have a better idea. But, for now, all I know is that the stems remind me of that line, which I assume is due to the tea/musk side of the Danae lineage.
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Yesterday "Hatchell-Brown Yellow" had a dominant clove fragrance note, today it is camphor.
There is sweetness, muskiness and perhaps a hint of apple, but apple is not the dominant note at the moment. It is definitely variable. Will keep a nose on it as it continues to bloom.
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Today I also got a strong clove perfume. I put it under Rob's nose and when I got no response, I gave him two choices: apple or clove. His affirmation of clove was immediate and definite.
Perhaps Mr. Hazlewood's ('Golden Spray' reference 1926) hint of apple might have been cooked apple?
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Would the Australians please read the references for 'Golden Spray', the 1917 Dickson rose.
I have loaded more references and I am sure "Hatchell-Brown Yellow" is 'Golden Spray'.
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Interesting suggestion. I hoicked mine (it's not a good garden plant in hot summers - gets sunburnt). Is yours apple-scented?
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It may be that this is a plant that likes cooler climates. Mine is such a new plant and I was so struck by its beauty that I took lots of photos last year. Everything seems to match with the references and comments - the colour, the long bud, the sprawling growth. the prominent boss of stamens. The only thing I have not been able to check so far is the apple scent as it is a little too early in the season for blooms.
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Could those Australians who grow it, please compare "Hatchell-Brown Yellow" with the 1922 hybrid musk 'Francesca'. Some of the photos are looking very familiar, particularly those with buds. My own-root bush, which I have had for just over a year, is still in a pot and so far, I haven't seen it look very double at all.
Could those who grow 'Francesca' (and have a spare minute) also have a look at the foundling "Hatchell-Brown yellow" photos
Thanks.
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I'll try to take more photos of the leaves, stems and prickles etc of the "Hatchell-Brown Yellow".
In the time I've grown this rose, the colour has been light yellow, fading to white and it hasn't ever shown the depth of colour and the apricot and egg yolk shades seen in many of the 'Francesca' photos. I don't grow 'Francesca' but I think there are also differences including the flower size (HBY is larger), inflorescence, pedicels etc - (Francesca's appear to be more slender and wiry).
Hatchell-Brown Yellow (as it grows in my garden) is a moderately tall, sparse, sprawling rose. There are not a lot of branches and quite large distances between the leaves, so the foliage looks sparse - and because the foliage is sparse, the prickly stems are prone to sunburn.
It sets hips readily - if the spent blooms are not removed it puts its energy into making many large hips, at the expense of rebloom. The flowers are lovely, fleeting things, but as a garden subject, the plant looks coarse, prickly, bare.
I've seen this rose at Rustons looking more compact and well-covered, but no amount of regular trimming has made my plant thicken up.
Our plant is budded onto Fortuniana and it would be interesting to know whether the habit is much different on own-root plants or if budded onto multiflora or Dr Huey.
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Thank you Billy. We’ll take ‘Francesca’ out of the ‘Possibles’ box and put it into the ‘Discounted’ box because of the larger and paler coloured flower of the foundling. I have ‘Francesca’ but it has never grown for me and is currently about 8 inches high. A pity. I’ve put a few more roses in the ‘Discounted’ box but I am happy to be proved wrong about any of them. That very long bud of “Hatchell-Brown Yellow” is fairly distinctive and it will be good to see a mature hip of this rose.
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There are some hips on our plant at the moment - I'll get the camera out later and take some pics.
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My plant was on multiflora, and it too was leggy and prone to sunburn. I removed it after a couple of years, since it wasn't a tea (as labelled when I bought it), and didn't have any advantage over other single yellow roses I had.
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