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'Everblooming Dr. W. Van Fleet' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 29-736
most recent 10 JAN 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 12 AUG 08 by Unregistered Guest
'New Dawn' is a rose I have selected--due to its color, significance of name, and the fact that it probably would have been available to the lay gardener in the early 1950's--to be included in a story I am writing. For Zone 7 in Alabama, does anyone know where this rose could have been purchased? (I am guessing through a mail-order catalog.) Also, I am looking for a popular public place (i.e. famous rose garden) in the south or on the east coast where it might have been grown and available for viewing. I need to be historically accurate, and I would appreciate any information. Thank you.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 12 AUG 08 by Patricia Routley
Roy Hennessey in Scappoose, Oregon carried 'New Dawn' in his 1954-55 catalogue and he used to ship by mail order. Actually you could write a whole book about Roy and his catalogues.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 AUG 08 by Lyn G
Wasn't Hennessey great ? I would have loved to have known him.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 AUG 08 by Lyn G
There are several tabs at the top of each rose page. You might want to look at the REFERENCES tab, the COMMENTS tab, the GARDENS tab and, of course, the BUY FROM tab. There is a wealth of good information under those tabs.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 1 JUN 09 by Chris
new dawn is the first patented horticulture in the u.s. it was found as a sport of"Dr VanFleet" in a Connecticut nursery inthe earlier part of the century,i believe. I do not know where in ct. but i have planted it, calling this grandlady, the "Connecticut Rose."
Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 JAN 19 by Cissy
Biltmore House has rose gardens now. I have the impression that these always existed even if in a smaller form. You could check this.
Discussion id : 499
most recent 22 NOV 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
Is this rose prone to suckering or growing out of bounds? I want a large climber for my fence to spread out, but I don't want it to get out of control. Thanks for your help!
Reply #1 of 4 posted 13 MAY 03 by Unregistered Guest
I hve New Dawn, and haven't had any problems with suckering, at all. It is probably about 6 yrs. old or so - I'm not sure. I have it growing on an arbor, and last year it was gorgeous! Paula
Reply #2 of 4 posted 25 FEB 04 by Azalea House Flowering Shrub Farm
In time your 'New Dawn' may get larger and spread out depending on local conditions, light, water and fertilizer. Wichuranna Roses are often ramblers. Dr W Van Fleet that New Dawn is a sport of has been grown to 30 feet tall and 45 feet wide. Though I think that was in South Africa. New Dawn has been seen 8 feet tall and 25 feet wide in Albany, NY zone 5.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 22 NOV 18 by MikeInBatonRouge
Growing out of bounds? Yes, though it can be pruned. As for suckering, that is about the rootstock, and New Dawn is so vigorous on its own, there is no reason to ever need to plant it grafted onto a rootstock. If yours is, try burying the bud union slightly under the soil level; in a couple years' time the plant will hopefully have sent down native New Dawn roots from those buried lower canes.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 22 NOV 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Mike,

Just out of interest how well does your 'New Dawn' have a second flush?

Regards, Andrew.
Discussion id : 112-615
most recent 13 SEP 18 SHOW ALL
Initial post 13 AUG 18 by happymaryellen
I planted my new dawn in March 2016. It has grown like crazy! Last year in spring I got a full flush of blooms. This year I got a full flush blooms in spring. But it doesn’t seem to continue blooming. I am deadheading it, and doing so properly down to five leaves. I also have gotten a Normas amount of growth coming off of it, it’s extremely leggy. So the question I have is, is it too soon for me to expect to bloom all season long?
It is extremely healthy and happy and green, almost no disease, just a little bit of mildew lately. I live in Northern California I am in 100% full sun, and I’ve been fertilizing every three weeks with Max sea 16 1616 Any thoughts?
Reply #1 of 12 posted 14 AUG 18 by Lavenderlace
I have only been getting a big spring flush also! I've had several people tell me that they might have reverted back to Dr. W. Van Fleet. But I have a total of 16 from two vendors so that seems like a lot to all revert back. I'm very curious to see if this fall will have any blooms from the second vendor's, which are younger.
Reply #2 of 12 posted 14 AUG 18 by Andrew from Dolton
There is usually a good spring flush here then another scat of flower from August into September. This year was unusually hot and dry and so far there have been no second flush although it has put on plenty of new growth. Maybe extra watering could be the answer.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 14 AUG 18 by Marlorena
Tell me about it.... my history with this perplexing rose here in England goes back 20 years... I bought 2 in the 1990's, the first grew 20 foot with no rebloom... I then bought a 2nd rose during September one year, from a garden centre, where it was in bloom, so I knew I had the repeat type, but in the garden it once again grew 20 foot and didn't repeat... 10 years ago I bought yet another for my current garden, from Peter Beales… no rebloom... I met the late Mr Beales a year or so before he died and told him about it, that all these ND's seem to revert to Dr Van Fleet when you plant them... he couldn't understand it and offered to replace my rose, but I gave up by then, and I'm now finished with New Dawn...

I can only hope you get some rebloom at some point.. I found it too frustrating...
Reply #4 of 12 posted 14 AUG 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Isn't 'Dr. W. Van Fleet' larger flowering than 'New Dawn'? My plant is only 5 years old growing 4M up into a cut leaved elder tree. If they revert surely that would happen gradually, not the whole plant change at once?
Reply #6 of 12 posted 15 AUG 18 by Marlorena
I wouldn't know about that Andrew, as far as I know, if it's a once bloomer it's Van Fleet but if it repeats it's New Dawn... If one buys it as New Dawn, and if it's to do with time or watering, then how many years do you have to wait before it gets into a rebloom cycle? that's what I would like to know... to be honest, I probably didn't go beyond 3 seasons with any of mine... I felt that was long enough, and I only deadheaded... let's see if Lavender Lace's roses rebloom this year...
Reply #7 of 12 posted 12 SEP 18 by Lavenderlace
Everything rebloomed immediately after all the rain a month ago but not a single bud on the New Dawns. We can have blooms to early December though so will report back if anything changes.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 12 SEP 18 by Marlorena
Thanks for keeping in touch about this.... I feel I'm shouting through a loud hailer, but if there's anyone in the world out there, who has a New Dawn that repeats... please sign in and tell us about it, because I'm dying to know ….

I'm going to check out a couple I know of in my local area, and see what they're doing...
Reply #11 of 12 posted 13 SEP 18 by Margaret Furness
There are photos on the hmf file taken in September, October, November in the northern hemisphere; so their plants re-bloom. I donated mine elsewhere because it was so prickly, and I can't recall what it did. It's a survivor rose in our Mediterranean climate.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 13 SEP 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Yes Margaret it's certainly tough, I moved a fair sized plant a few years ago and never cut it back at all, planted it to grow in an elder tree, it didn't turn a hair just kept on growing. I used to get flowers in September but haven't for the last few years.
Some of the northern hemisphere pictures have been posted in the winter months, some members might not have posted them at the actual time of flowering.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 15 AUG 18 by Lavenderlace
My first ten grew to twenty feet extremely fast too, but has since slowed down. Andrew might have a good point about the extra watering as we are usually hot, humid, but quite dry. However, we just received seven inches of rain after our usual drought conditions. So hopefully that will be the push that it needs for a fall bloom!
Reply #8 of 12 posted 12 SEP 18 by Andrew from Dolton
A plant growing in the village in a very dry position has put on hardly any growth and isn't re-flowering. My own 'New Dawn' put on a lot of new growth thanks to some irrigation during the hot dry summer, it shows no sign of re-flowering either. Others have had a good second flush, 'Rose de Rescht', 'Agnes', 'Jacques Cartier' and 'Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux' have all done well although 'Duchess of Portland' hasn't even tried. Others, Rosa cinnamomea Plena and the Dunwich Rosa are unexpectedly having another go.
Reply #9 of 12 posted 12 SEP 18 by Lavenderlace
Sounds like you have lots of blooms today also Andrew! I should have mentioned that I do irrigate, so it wasn't like mine were totally neglected to begin with. Though I do think that New Dawn can certainly tolerate neglect! Blooming seems to be another matter.
Discussion id : 93-292
most recent 18 JUL 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 JUN 16 by Paz
This rose is a survivor. On a family rural property, I had this rose growing on its own roots in a garden bed with plenty of other roses growing (all the other roses where grafted onto Dr. Huey) the garden bed was watered using a local dam that was being filled from time to time with bore water. The bore increased the concentration of salt (unbeknown to us at the time was the salinity of the bore water) in the dam and hence that water was used on the rose bed, which killed all the roses over the summer. Symptoms were burning of the leaves around the outside, die back and other typical symptoms of salt poisoning.... Indica Major, gigantic climber in this bed died very rapidly as well as all the HT and F.B's gone. There was some other survivors, Queen Elizabeth, 3 bushes (also grown on own roots) and some other Scarlet Carpet roses..these roses had some burning to the leaves, but continued to flower. The soil was intense heavy clay. I am going to explore using QEII, New Dawn and Scarlet Carpet rose as potential root stocks for salty/heavy clay soils... In the mean time, the bed has had all dead roses pulled out, dug up and allowed to be flushed with rain water to leach out the salts before replanting in a few years time.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 18 JUL 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for a fantastic description of salt-damage in heavy clay.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 18 JUL 17 by Lavenderlace
We give these no water and they are still incredibly vigorous. There should be a warning about the potential size in warm climates though!
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